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I am copying a long series of posts on the ABC Homeopathy forum which visitors to my website may find interesting as it dates back to 2006 and is a record of my own progress in Homeopathy and records the evolution of Joepathy which term was coined by the classical homeopaths on the ABC to derisively describe my own therapy which they maintained was not Homeoapthy as I did not abide by the classical rules to “Treat the totality of the symptoms that the patient presents, with a SINGLE remedy”. I begged to differ as I discovered many years ago that this rekawan kapseln retard 600 mg beipackzettel ciprofloxacin classical diktat just did not work and commenced my own therapy which they coined  and described as Joepathy. This term attracts over 1760 hits on Google and if you insert my name Joe De Livera into this same search engine it shows 58000+ Hits but not all pertain to my name.

I would like to copy first the last post on the ABC on this thread which a member dug up from the archives which gave me the idea of copying it on my own website to give  visitors a better understanding of my own vision of Joepathy which is in my opinion an extension of Homeoapthy which works in a manner that classical homeopathy cannot equal.

Glad that you liked my post which intrigues me as it was first made by me in January 2004 which is all of 8 years ago which makes me 83 years old and thank God I am still alive and kicking in the same manner that I have been doing for the last, say 70 years of my life.

I must also give Arnica the credit due to its miraculous power to maintain life at an optimum level and I would refer you to my article “Arnica the Miracle Remedy” on

http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=66.

I drive daily to work and back and I am the CEO of a family owned business which was established by my late father in 1924 before I was born and in which my youngest son is now in charge of, although I still call the “shots”. I spend about 2-3 hours on Homeoapthy on this ABC and my own Website and also try to help any patients who consult me in office when I give my services and the medicines free of charge.

A good example of the ‘proof of the pudding’ in my affinity to Homeopathy and more especially Arnica is the fact that no one who meets me believes my age which they usually estimate at around 65 years. I do not bear the usual signs of old age and do not sport any wrinkles on my skin. I do not have any aches and pains in my body and I exercise daily for around 45 minutes to lift my heart bpm to 115 for about 10 minutes. Sometimes to 120 if I feel good.

If you will spend some time on my Website you will read more about my research into Homeopathy which I have “simplified” into what the classical homeopaths on this and other forums have derisively classified as “Joepathy” which is an aspect of this curative art which is practical and works in a manner more positively to cure than classical homeopathy which in the majority of cases just gives the suffering patient the run around while the classical homeopath beats about the bush as instructed by the classical exponents of this science.

I am not alone in my “this for that” therapy and you will tead if you visit the website below:

PRASANTA BANERJI HOMEOPATHIC RESEARCH FOUNDATION
http://www.pbhrfindia.org/

I shall now copy the many posts on the link below on the ABC website.

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/85665/

Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases

From rajivprasad    on 2006-10-15
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Dear friends,

I had posted these thoughts of mine on another thread.But for the benefit of all the members and to encourage further discussion, i have started a new thread and pasted it here.

Rajiv

Dear Joe,

First of all, let me express my admiration for you as a compassionate human being.I am sure you may remember that i have appreciated your efforts in the past too.

But in the example above cited, the patient was cured by a dose of Pulsatilla 200 which you had suggested.Pulsatilla is one of the main remedies in homeopathy for the rubric “worse by heat”, and hence cured.It was simple homeopathy and not ‘Joepathy’, which i believe is associated with Arnica, Nat. Phos. & Nat. Sulph.

I have for long thought to share some of my thoughts on why your prescriptions appear to work in a number of cases.I think it is the right time to do so.

Arnica, as everyone knows is the number one remedy for the shock of a trauma, whether the trauma is physical or mental.The reason is that it has a tendency to increase the flow of oxygen to the site of trauma.In case of physical trauma, to the site of injury, and in case of mental shock, to the affected part of the brain.That is why it is one of the leading remedies in the cases of brain haemorrhage too.Evn when a person is very fatigued after very severe hard work, a dose of Arnica brings a calming influence and takes away the fatigue due to increased oxygenation in the blood.What is happening in your case is that due to your old age (which causes poor oxygenation due to old age) and your hard working routine (which must be causing a lot of internal wear and tear at the cellular level), Arnica acts like a kind of ‘superficial similimum’ and tones you up so to speak ensuring nice sleep etc.Arnica is one of the main remedies that Dr.Parimal Banerjee (one of the greatest homeopaths that India has ever produced with the world record of having treated over 1.5 million people in his time) recommends for high blood pressure.The reason is again very simple to see.Arnica naturally pushes the blood flow, and causes the heart to relax a bit in confirmed cases of hypertension.In such cases, hypertension is the disease condition to which Arnica acts as a ‘superficial similimum’.In fact, your experiment on your own self has definitely encouraged me to conduct some experiments of my own.These experiments were inspired by you.My father-in-law was suffering from gangrene of his right toe, which was in danger of being amputated.I asked him to take the wet dose of Arnica 30 and to apply Arnica Q dilution externally.The condition was  healed in two months.The reasonis simple enough.The Arnica caused the highly oxygenated blood to reach the gangrenous toe.So yes, your self proving of Arnica is valuable to the homeopathic community, but more care should be taken in prescribing.There should be circumstances calling for Arnica, rather than prescribing it left, right and center to all comers.Even young people.That could cause a proving.

Nat. Phos. is a noted remedy for GERD and acidity.But it works on the Schussler’s biochemic principle.But why does it in some cases cause a reduction in weight loss?I will try to explain.Nat. Phos. (this is biochemic theory and not a homeopathic one) is the main biochemic remedy to restore the acid-base order in the body.An enhanced acid level in the body indicates that a great portion of the sugar metabolism in the body is taking place via fermentation which is due to the presence of anaerobic bacteria in very high quantities.These bacteria generate a high toxic load which teh liver is then unable to process out of the body.So it causes the body to generate a lot of fat to dissove and store the water insoluble toxins.With Nat. Phos., the acidity is reduced and hence the detoxification starts at a rapid pace in cases such as those above.This causes the fat which was generated to store the toxins in the first place, to be released and dissolved.

Nat. Sulph. is the most important homeopathic remedy in cases of asthma worse in damp places or in areas near the seashore.Colombo is near the sea and hence the high rate of success in curing asthma cases there with Nat Sulph.If Joe would read Von Grauvogl and his description of the usefulness of Nat. Sulph. in asthama cases in hydrogenoid (Grauvogl’s term for people who suffer from excess of water in their body) constitutions, he would realize why it works in these cases.And why it does not work in some cases where he needs to resort to Arsenic, Blatta etc.

Any way.These discussions are only going to enhance everyone’s knowledge and hence keep them flowing.

With warm regards to Joe and everyone else,

Rajiv
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Hahnemania     on 2006-10-15
Very well put Rajiv, and on all your points regarding why these remedies are sometimes curative, or seem to help, I couldn’t agree more.

-Jacob.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From bandarbabu2000     on 2006-10-15
Now, Joepathy as a seperate therapy is declared officially, and we shouldn’t have any hesitation in letting people choose it if they want, among so many other therapies like,Aurveda,Acupuncture,Yoga,Reiki,Unani,Chinese,Herbal..etc..etc.

Joepathy mainly uses Arnica,Nat.sulph,Nat.Phos for all most all ailments on this earth, with antibiotic gels, and medicines added sometimes.

I am sure google will pickup this word soon,if not already done so.

Congrats Dear Joe.

Murthy
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From bandarbabu2000     on 2006-10-15
Hi

I just googled it and got 1-6 links displayed out of a total of 39.

Just type joepathy.

Murthy
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From rajivprasad     on 2006-10-15
Dear Jacob,

Thanks for your appreciation.One thing i always very deeply think about is why do certain remedies pick up a reputation for helping in certain conditions.The so called ‘specifics’.In this i am inspired by James Burnett who was one of the great maters of yesteryears who really understood his remedies, and hence found uses for certain lesser known remedies where other homeopaths would not dream of using them.

With warm regards,

Rajiv
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-15
May be it is Joe’s healing capabilities not just his prescriptions.

Materia works in strange ways, once I gave a patient Antimony Crudum for some ailment but in hours his rock like tennis ball like hanging tumor under his eyes was gone in some hours.

It was just gone. He went to hundreds of homeopathys for the treatment of tumor but gave up.

When I gave him antimony crudum I didn’t have that tumor in my mind.

One year ago just a leaf of Helix Hedera reversed hydrocephalus in a  small child where everybody else gave up and family were utterly poor slum dwellers, were unable to afford any decent medical attention.

A friend of mine, (Not a fundamentalist homeopath) asked me to fetch helix hedera from some vendor in USA because he was unable to find it in India, I happened to be in Mcleod Gung (Himalayas) and couried him just few leaves of it.

Homeopathy does not end in a book but begins from the book and goes beyond for ever…

If one happen to realize healing powers of materia and uses it with courage, God give him a hand.

I never consider myself a homeopath, but a believer of materia.

Hahnemann instructed his students to make more provings, not to lick a fixed ‘The Last Testament’.

Fundamentalism is the root cause of all problems because fundamentalists believe in some medival Last Testament.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From PANKAJ VARMA     on 2006-10-15
Wow! Kuldeep!!

I didn’t know you could make such hard hitting comments.

Surely…these guys pressed the “wrong button”.

Pankaj Varma
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-15
This pathy or that pathy can cure this or that and cannot not cure that or this.

Many people like me and you become hobby homeopaths, we cure some and unable to cure some.

Classical homeopaths too cure some, unable to cure some.

When a curing happen fundamentalists say:

…. Yeah, you cured but it is temporary, faulty, not whole ….. in long term problem would even go worse ….

Last year one girl was cured of her kidney disease (was scheduled for kidney transplant in two weeks). I gave her Serum Anguillae.

Homeopathy College principal (whole college was treating that girl for two years) called me and cursed me, he said oh yeah…. temporary relief… faulty relief.. fake relief….

Two lives were saved by a so called pathy. One was the poor paid donor and other was the girl, all transplants last few years.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Hahnemania     on 2006-10-15
Dear Kuldeep.

I too have seen some amazing cures, not least of all small grains of sand actually working their way out of an ex builders callouses after just one dose of Silicea in an LM, literally before my eyes.

Also, I couldn’t agree more with your assertions, which is why my own work very much revolves around bringing Homoeopathy into the 21st century, to encompass all the WORTHWHILE advances made since the days of Hahnemann, as well as scientific advances made by allopathy, such as the discovery of micro-organisms. It is also why I have myself self-proved over 300 remedies, many of them new, and why I am also working toward finding similiums for new threats to health, so I would hardly consider myself a ‘fundamentalist’ 😉
…but I do all this only within the parameters of original doctrine, as this is, and always will be the source, and when we detract from this, we lose the essence of Homoeopathy.

-Jacob.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Hahnemania     on 2006-10-15
Erm, the assertions in your first post that is, we must have been posting at the same time.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Hahnemania     on 2006-10-15
And hmm, this forum is seriously in need of an ‘ignore’ button, to dispense with…minor irritations of a psychotic (or should that be sycotic ‘hehehe’)nature. Still, whatever people have to do to feel a sense of worth I guess, it is rather sad to watch, but hey, you can’t hate the mentally unbalanced, only try to help them.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From PANKAJ VARMA     on 2006-10-16
On the net “he he he”…stands for…. “I don’t agree with you!”.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Hahnemania     on 2006-10-16
Whatever you say loonytunes
-makes twirlies-
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-16
Thanks for the key:

“not least of all small grains of sand actually …”

Dear Hahnemania when I find a patient in the slums of India, I try to find a remey in the slums of India.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-16
remedy
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From bandarbabu2000     on 2006-10-16
Hi Pankaj

If you can’t discuss an issue,keep quiet.

Kuldeep has made some good points and let the discussion continue on that.

Don’t expose old wounds, and get more and more hurt.

Hi Kuldeep

New thinking is always welcome. I always read your threads with interest.

Murthy
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Hahnemania     on 2006-10-16
Dear Kuldeep, I am not sure I understand your post, please elaborate.

-Jacob.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-16
Dear Murthy

Experimenting with materia I have concluded that it works in strange unpredicted way. Most often simimum fails.

Why?

We are already exposed to thousands of materia in varous potencies as pollution.

One may prescribe Antimony crudum in a certain potency but most probably a patient is already exposed to it as air or water pollution so  similum fails.

But if a body is exposted to a certain strange potentized materia, that offers most of the chance.

If I can’t cure a patient I try to expose his body to strangest of the strangest materia. Could be Mercury or Antimony or Cyanide for him  but not for all.

Similum works may not work because body is already exposed to that so find strangest shock.

My cousin has never endin sinus problem, with homeopathy he is half better. Last week we were walking and I asked him to chew some goldenrod pollen grains, he chewed and instantly got hay fever.

So most probably he was having hay fever from goldenrod… This gives his case an another dimension.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-16
An Example:

Graphites used to work as a great potent medicine about a hundred years ago but it does not work at all because it is a household material these days, our body is already exposed to it in all possible potencies, same thing is with petroleum…

So these factors must be considered before prescribing..

On the other hand, in these days Silica works excellent and predictably because our bodies are just too clean.

Nat. Phos and Nat. Sulphate are not easily found in environment so they work in these days.

Alumina would never work on a potter. Petroleum would never work on a petrol pump attendent.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From rajivprasad     on 2006-10-16
Dear Kuldeep,

I would like to say three things.First is that i have always admired your streak of innovativeness and have read almost all of your contributions on this forum with a lot of interest.Your ‘silica’ thread, your pencil ‘graphites’ adventures, your thread on different remedies and so on.I really enjoyed all of them and also learned a lot from them.

Second is that i am myself an experimenter, and am by no means an  orthodox, licking a bible type, boring person that i may come across as.I understand fully well that like any subject, homeopathy also needs to develop and evolve.Of all the experiments that you are making, some may become well established and become a part of standard materia medica in the future.But what is also important is to not throw the baby away with the bathwater.You can experiment as much as you wish.Some will succeed spectacularly and some will fail.But as long as one is willing to learn and observe, the knowledge of the individual as well as of the subject itself grows.

Third is that one not only needs to experiment and use exotic remedies, but also why certain remedies are working in certain conditions, and if there is an overlap of symptoms where two or more  remedies are indicated, can we identify specific and distinguishing characteristics of these new remedies, to choose from among them.That is the only way one can contribute to the development of new materia medica.

I can see a similar attempt being made at your own website too.Isn’t it?Your software to help people identify their constitutional remedy is  also an attempt to individualize, if i understand correctly.So where is a fundamental difference of opinion.

Rajiv

P.S. to Pankaj,

Now as for pressing ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ buttons, i don’t know what is being said.Why should any one think like that?We are not here to press buttons.At least i am not.And don’t try to behave like the class bully who will scare the tiny little children into submission.If you want to participate in discussions, please do so like an educated man and also try to live up to your Guru’s revered name.Give solid arguments and for God’s sake, stop behaving like a small child whose candies have been stolen.I have always been giving respect to you but you insist upon raking up a controversy.There is nothing to be gained by this sort of attitude.

Rajiv
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From rajivprasad     on 2006-10-16
Dear Kuldeep,

You said that “Graphites used to work as a great potent medicine about a hundred years ago but it does not work at all because it is a household material these days……same thing is with Petroleum”.

But this is surprising coming from the person whose “What is Graphites” thread where you recommended making potentized Graphites from pencil material, was so polular on this forum.You yourself recounted a number of thrilling and successful cures with it and inspired a lot of the people here on the forum to experiment more.

There was another thread on which you suggested a very popular protocol for treatment of eczema.You suggested to take one remedy one week, then the next one next week and so on till the eczema responded to a particular remedy.I clearly remember that Graphites and Petroleum were the two of the remedies in that protocol.In fact you are on record saying that these are the two main remedies for the treatment of eczema.If they don’t work nowadays, i wonder why you recommended them.

In my personal experience, i have tried your pencil graphites experiment with 5 children and it has worked.So it still works as both  of us have confirmed.In two of these cases, i had to give Graphites 10M and above for which i used normally prepared Graphites as it is almost impossible to run the potency of the pencil Graphites thing to that high.

You also said that:

“Alumina would never work on a potter. Petroleum would never work on a petrol pump attendant”.

Why is that?If what you say is correct then what about the Arndt’s law.I hope you have heard about it.

It states that “weak and strong stimulii provoke opposite physiologica reactions”.So if a person is poisoned with a particular toxin or drug the same toxin or drug given in extreme dilutions helps to neutralize the poisonous effects of the crude drug or toxin.This law is one of the things which helped many allopaths to understand why the homeopathic remedies work.This is also the basis for Isopathy, which Hahnemann so strongly rejected.But he got it absolutely wrong of course, as today the Nosodes are an integral part of a homeopath’s armamentarium.And they work.They are the most potent remedies in homeopathy.

I will end with only one example from my experience, though there are more than a hundred that i could share.I treated a person a few years back who told me of a strong adverse reaction to Sulpha drugs.Whenever he took any Sulpha drug, he felt very ill all over his body.Sulphur 10M, one dose cured his sciatica and he is pain free for the last 4 years.

I would love to hear your detailed thoughts.

With warm regards,

Rajiv
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Joe De Livera     on 2006-10-16
To Rajiv

Thank you for your treatise on how Arnica, Nat Phos, Nat Sulph react  to resolve the respective ailments that I have prescribed them for patients whom I have helped on the homeopathic forums. This is, I feel, the attitude that other homeopaths should emulate by sharing their knowledge based on their own discoveries with the use of standard Homeopathic remedies in curing diseases which were not listed in the Repertories. I reported about 2 years ago that I had discovered that Arnica reduced Blood Sugar levels in both Type I and II Diabetics and as usual my report was held up in scorn immediately. It was only when other homeopaths discovered that Arnica does in fact reduce BS levels and as you also rightly included BP levels in patients, that those who scorned me sat up and took notice that there was indeed method in my madness.

You may have read the many attacks that classical homeopaths heaped upon me in the past few years on the homeopathic forums I visit daily, merely because they considered me a maverick who rocked their precious Classical Homeopathic boat too much. I believe that they did so because at least some discovered that my presence on their classical forums could corrupt the minds of potential classical homeopaths who were already in homeopathic colleges, as my therapy which treats the disease directly in the allopathic manner, seemed to be more effective than the standard classical method of identifying just one remedy which takes into account all the other symptoms presented by the patient. I do not wish to elaborate on this point as I have already dealt with it in other posts on the ABC. You may have observed that the attacks against my therapy invariably predicted doom to the unsuspecting patient who in many cases was confused as to which therapy he should use, which made a bad situation even worse as in some instances he would prefer the classical approach merely because the prescriber had the title Dr. before his ID. I have some cases where the patient used the classical therapy and returned to my therapy when he found that the classical approach was not helping him and discovered that my non classical therapy cured him in some cases, instantly.

I have always maintained that Homeopathy to me is only a Hobby to  which I am passionately dedicated especially today, since I have some time at my disposal which some years ago I could not devote to homeopathy as my professional duties came first. The return of my sons after their post graduate studies in the US and joined the family business gave me this free time which I use today to help others and it gives me great satisfaction to help a patient which I have done free of charge, especially those who have run the gamut of specialist doctors, Ayurvedic physicians and then later classical homeopaths and finally they come to me here in Sri Lanka or visit a Homeopathic forum and I take over in my own direct way.

It seems such a shame that other homeopaths classical or otherwise  do not also use the direct way that I prefer instead of going round in circles as they were taught in their respective collages to use only the classical system because Hahnemann had directed them to do so. Reference to his Organon will show that he too was constantly updating his therapy with every subsequent edition and I believe that what I am now trying to do is to continue in his footsteps by updating the concept of Homeopathy and to prove to those classical types that there is another way of helping a patient to overcome a disease by using the direct method that I have been using successfully for many years in spite of the conflagaration that it seems to have caused in homeopathic circles.

I observe today that there seems to be some semblance of a truce that has resulted between the classical types and their attacks against me as at least one of them has stated that as long as the therapy I use is termed “Joepathy” he does not have any reservations about my involvement in this art of healing.

I was also humbled to note the number of hits that this word “Joepathy” gets on the Search Engines, which is a fact that I was not  aware of till Murthy drew my attention to it a short while ago. I hope that this can perhaps indicate that the rest of the world too is taking some notice of the therapy that I have always used successfully, which to me seems the obvious therapy that others too should use in helping a patient to overcome his ailment. It seems a happy coincidence that this fact was discussed today, a few days before my 77th Birthday.

Joe
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From rajivprasad     on 2006-10-16
Dear Joe,

When is your birthday?Please accept my most heartfelt best wishes on this great occasion for you and my family.I have nothing but admiration for your spirit of compassion and service towards fellow human beings.If even one tenth of the people of the world had the same compassion as you, this world would become so beautiful.

The reason for my starting this thread was very simple.I wanted to explain why these three remedies that you are so fond of, may be working in a number of cases that you have helped.

Though I do not share your views on the way the more well known official school of homeopathy is practised, I still respect you as a compassionate human being.

May God give you many, many, many more years of serviceful life!!May your ‘beloved’ Arnica keep working for you for ever.

With lots of best wishes,

Rajiv
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From pimathew     on 2006-10-16
Hi Joe,

Let me also take the previlege of wishing you on your Birthday. Best Wishes and Take Care. Hope u will hit a century with Arnica. keep it going.

Once Again “Best Wishes”

Mathew
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Hahnemania     on 2006-10-16
Dear Kuldeep, from the assertions you have made above, I am afraid your observations are quite incorrect.

First of all, the only time the similium fails, is if it is indeed NOT the similium, and has been merely mistaken as such by the prescriber, or, if the patient is in need of the ISOmilium.

“If I can’t cure a patient I try to expose his body to strangest of the strangest materia. Could be Mercury or Antimony or Cyanide for him  but not for all.”
Is this not what we all do, and the latter part of your assertion the whole basis of remedy individualization?

“We are already exposed to thousands of materia in varous potencies as pollution.”
We are? Please explain. I think you are confusing mere dilution with Homoeopathic potency.

“Graphites used to work as a great potent medicine about a hundred  years ago but it does not work at all because it is a household material these days, our body is already exposed to it in all possible potencies -(again you are confusing mere dilution with potency)-, same thing is with petroleum…”
-Rereads- Erm, what? Have actually fully treated a chronic case before? An awful lot of the remedies required to affect cure, are those to which the patient has been exposed!
For example, I have had ex car mechanics who have been exposed to Petroleum all their lives, yet needed the substance in potency to relieve their conditions, the same I have found true of Kreosotum (in fence painters and gardeners), Chlorine in ex swimming pool attendants, Silicea in stone cutters (which is actually common knowledge, and listed in the majority of mat meds!), and even graphites in artists who use this substance to draw, myself being an example! I could go on with numerous examples. What about patients who have reacted badly to allopathic drugs, who require a potency of the offending substance? All these things are in our everyday environment, yet they do not affect everyone who merely comes into contact with them. Each individual will react differently to substances, and It matters not so much what we are exposed to, but what we are exposed to WHICH AFFECTS US as individuals, and when this is the case, only the Isomilium will cure, and this will occur regardless of continued exposure.

Your experiments therefore, I am afraid are quite flawed.

-Jacob.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Joe De Livera     on 2006-10-16
Dear Rajiv

I was born on October 19th 1929.

Thank you for your kind thoughts and you may like to know that I have dedicated the rest of my life to helping those who consult me with my own brand of Homeopathy which is now accepted as Joepathy.

I agree with you completely that if only others too are more caring in their daily lives the world would be a far better place to live in. It is unfortunate that in homeopathic circles there still exists that aura of exclusivity which is, I believe, the real reason why Homeopathy does not achieve the status that medicine enjoys today. I believe that the many critics that have voiced their opinions against my therapy have  done so as they wish to keep this science at the higher levels that the successors of Hahnemann have elevated it to, with that aura of mystery that a homeopath usually commands from his patients which originates in the standard procedure involved in the classical case taking process. I do not write off this process but I maintain the the human mind cannot do justice to identifying that one remedy that will help the patient according to the tenets of classical homeopathy without the assistance of Homeopathic Software like Radar which I too use when necessary. I state this as the choice of this single remedy cannot possibly be identified from the many thousands that are available as the odds against the correct choice being made even by the most experienced homeopath are a million to one and cannot possibly be done mentally. This is where the software can be relied upon if the strict application of the classical theory has to be successfully implemented.

In my case I have evidence to prove that the majority of practicing homeopaths in the Indian sub continent use the same direct method that I too use to identify a remedy as it is absolutely impossible for those who see over 20 patients per day to spend at least an hour per patient with the classical system. The unfortunate result of the application of the classical system without the software is that the patient is usually given a remedy that suits his ‘picture’ and he goes back home in the fond hope that the remedy will help him at least in some small way and that when he reports back to the homeopath which is usually in a week that he would have some visible alleviation of his ailment. This is sadly not the case and many patients who have gone through this routine have informed me that in spite of the hour long interview that they had with their classical homeopath the remedy that they got did not have the slightest effect to help their ailment. In some instances I was informed that their ailment flared up and caused greater discomfort than what they already were suffering from. I have so many similar reports when these patients consulted me that I often wondered what the real reason was for these classical types to use a technique that they knew was faulty especially when dealing with the standard ailments that afflict people like GERD, Asthma, Eczema to name only 3 which I seem to have the gift of healing in a few days, or in the case of Asthma in a few hours. I realize that when a classical homeopath reads my viewpoint, he will immediately predict the usual doom and gloom scenario which the poor patient will, according to him, suffer from with a long time prediction of the possible results of consulting me, a non qualified homeopath, who has a background of using the direct approach in the alleviation of suffering. It is just my sense of directly approaching a problem in life coupled to my originality in doing so that has helped me to attain this status in my life and I believe in sharing my discoveries especially in homeopathy with others so that those who are not prejudiced will open their minds to the possibility of using a non classical alternative to the methods they use to cure their patients.

Joe

Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Joe De Livera     on 2006-10-16
Dear Rajiv

I was born on October 19th 1929.

Thank you for your kind thoughts and you may like to know that I have dedicated the rest of my life to helping those who consult me with my own brand of Homeopathy which is now accepted as Joepathy.

I agree with you completely that if only others too are more caring in their daily lives the world would be a far better place to live in. It is unfortunate that in homeopathic circles there still exists that aura of exclusivity which is, I believe, the real reason why Homeopathy does not achieve the status that medicine enjoys today. I believe that the many critics that have voiced their opinions against my therapy have done so as they wish to keep this science at the higher levels that the successors of Hahnemann have elevated it to, with that aura of mystery that a homeopath usually commands from his patients which originates in the standard procedure involved in the classical case taking process. I do not write off this process but I maintain the the human mind cannot do justice to identifying that one remedy that will help the patient according to the tenets of classical homeopathy without the assistance of Homeopathic Software like Radar which I too use when necessary. I state this as the choice of this single remedy cannot possibly be identified from the many thousands that are available as the odds against the correct choice being made even by the most experienced homeopath are a million to one and cannot possibly be done mentally. This is where the software can be relied upon if the strict application of the classical theory has to be successfully implemented.

In my case I have evidence to prove that the majority of practicing homeopaths in the Indian sub continent use the same direct method that I too use to identify a remedy as it is absolutely impossible for those who see over 20 patients per day to spend at least an hour per patient with the classical system. The unfortunate result of the application of the classical system without the software is that the patient is usually given a remedy that suits his ‘picture’ and he goes back home in the fond hope that the remedy will help him at least in some small way and that when he reports back to the homeopath which is usually in a week that he would have some visible alleviation of his ailment. This is sadly not the case and many patients who have gone through this routine have informed me that in spite of the hour long interview that they had with their classical homeopath the remedy that they got did not have the slightest effect to help their ailment. In some instances I was informed that their ailment flared up and caused greater discomfort than what they already were suffering from. I have so many similar reports when these patients consulted me that I often wondered what the real reason was for these classical types to use a technique that they knew was faulty especially when dealing with the standard ailments that afflict people like GERD, Asthma, Eczema to name only 3 which I seem to have the gift of healing in a few days, or in the case of Asthma in a few hours. I realize that when a classical homeopath reads my viewpoint, he will immediately predict the usual doom and gloom scenario which the poor patient will, according to him, suffer from with a long time prediction of the possible results of consulting me, a non qualified homeopath, who has a background of using the direct approach in the alleviation of suffering. It is just my sense of directly approaching a problem in life coupled to my originality in doing so that has helped me to attain this status in my life and I believe in sharing my discoveries especially in homeopathy with others so that those who are not prejudiced will open their minds to the possibility of using a  non classical alternative to the methods they use to cure their patients.

Joe
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-16
Dear Rajiv Prasad

Graphites works only on low potency and diverts the problem elsewhere to more cureable dimension. In my own experience it never ever worked about 6x.

I have countless miracle stories abuot homemade graphites but none regarding homeopathy grade.

Same thing with Petroleum, it may work on tribals who are living days away from any road.

That’s why in my eczema thread I remommened a weekly course of 8 remedies including Graphites and Petroleum.

On the other hand Crank Case Oil turned out to be a very potent medicine, I request you to experiment with it. With that medicine many’s people’s asthma got diverted to eczema and eventually they may recover from it.

And second thing: It is not necessary thing I said today may be absolute truth, that’s how I see things today and tomorrow I may arrive at different conclusions.

I never ever recommended anybody to purchase and take homeopathy grade graphites because I believe it is wasting time, money and faith on a medicine.

ON the other hand homemade Graphites and Antimony works like magic and one sees the effect in hours.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Hahnemania     on 2006-10-16
How would this explain how I have cured/brought back to the surface many cases of eczema using both Graphites and Petroleum in potencies ranging from 6c right up to LM1 of the APPARENTLY ‘old’ variety?

Many of these remedy layers have been passed from generation to generation, hence the original source works just as well as any other.

If only a so called ‘modern’ preparation of a drug cures a patient, then it is by virtue of personal exposure, and of the other things which are now mixed with these substances ADDITIONALLY causing problems, and I would consider such an occurrence extremely rare, especially in view of the fact most of these aditives have no medicinal value.

The man who looks TOO deeply Mr Kuldeep, ends up seeing nothing.

-Jacob.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From rajivprasad     on 2006-10-16
Dear Kuldeep,

Of course i can understand about the personal experience point that you made.But then personal experience depends on so many factors and is purely ‘subjective’ to the ‘experiencer’.It is valuable no doubt to the person concerned.It is through personal experience that true learning takes place, and no amount of book learning can replace that.I really admire your willingness to share your wonderful experiences.Regarding the ‘personal truths’ being dynamic and not static; I again agree with you as I am very similar in my basic approach towards ‘truth’ as you.One should always be open to receive new infprmation and be bold enough to change one’s ‘truths’ even if it is on a public forum like this.I like your boldness too.

In my own experience the traditionally prepared Graphites and Petroleum, even in very high potencies right up to the CM potency work very well.I get my medicines from a pharmacy which i trust and their remedies (it includes all the more common homeopathic remedies) have never failed me.Where these two extremely deep acting and powerful remedies are needed, nothing can substitute them.Of course, in homeopathy, the ‘similimum’ would always cure.

I will try the motor crank oil remedy when i get a chance.I have read that thread of yours too.As i said earlier, i read all of your threads and am a regular visitor to your website too.As i said earlier, I like your innovativeness and willingnes to share your remarkable experiences.Hence I read carefully whatever you write about your ‘homeopathic experiences’.

With warm regards.

Rajiv
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From PANKAJ VARMA     on 2006-10-16
Hi Joe!
Happy birthday in advance.

From one Libran to another Libran.

Pankaj Varma
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From PANKAJ VARMA     on 2006-10-16
Hi Rajiv,
Great post.
Pl. read this …which I posted on another thread too….

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Here is the officially stated position of the British Homeopathic Association from their official website (FAQs).:

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Should I stop my other medication?
No. Homeopathic remedies can be safely taken along with other medicines. It can be very dangerous to stop a medicine which you have been using for some time. The remedies will not interfere with your other drugs. You will be able to reduce your other drugs if you begin to improve under the influence of the homeopathic ones.

B A C K to list.

Why have I heard that some homeopaths tell their patients to stop their other drugs?
It is very unusual for a qualified health care professional to give such an instruction. Some non-medically qualified homeopaths have been known to give such advice and it stems from their distrust of mainstream medicine. The reason they will give is that some drugs can inhibit the effects of the homeopathic remedies. It is true that some drugs can produce such an inhibitory effect, particularly steroids and other drugs which suppress the immune system. However, experienced homeopathic practitioners will tell you that it is still possible to see the remedies produce good effects in the face of these drugs. Drugs should only be stopped when it is deemed they are no longer clinically necessary.

Unquote

When homeopathic meds can work even while allopathic meds are being given….surely 2/3 homeoapthic meds given in alteration/succesion or together (combination meds)..will also give results.

We have seen it happening.

Don’t know why…inspite of so much evidence…the classical homeopaths are making a “song and dance” of things.
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Best wishes,

Pankaj Varma
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-16
I am pasting the same contents I posted at:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/69933/1

I would like to share another story about this “Unqualified Homeopathy doctor who gave me the insight to treat tonsil stones”. In those days I was in India and he appeared at my door at mid-night and requested me to join him regarding an emergency.

He took me on his motorcycle in a poor neighborhood and there in a home a man with huge inflamed belly was lying, staring at the ceiling. Man was all blue-yellow. Whole room was stinking of bile. This is the standard practice in India that when a patient is about to die, hospitals reject him and send him home so a death would not be recoded in a hospital’s name.

That layman doctor asked me to help him, only thing he said to me to mark the approximate boundaries of his liver lobe on his tummy (like I am an expert). I did that (using my layman’s knowledge) and then he took out a thickest syringe and started pumping out green liquid from man’s liver (it was his first experience with the syringe but he was a bold courageous man) Whole crowd was watching us.

This layman doctor can’t not read English but can only read Punjabi so was unable to update his knowledge in human anatomy even in a layman’s terms. Only book he has a Boeirike’s translated Materia Medica.

He removed a gallon of liquid and then stared giving the patient a liquid of Naturm Sulphate. I left at morning and patient was a bit better and asked for some tea.

Today that patient is healthy and well.

I have some other stories about that unqualified doctor. He was the one who asked me to find Helix Hedera for a poor kid.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-16
Dear Rajiv

Thanks for telling that in your cases high potency Graphites and Petroleum worked.

Experience is not your’s or mine but it of the whole Man-Kind’s.

Mr Hahne-MANIA we all are the prisoners of our past, education, background, experiences, etc. Some people have windows in their cells and some just prefer solitary confinement in a narrow blocked cells.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Hahnemania     on 2006-10-16
Dear Kul-notsodeep.

Ahhh, I see. That made no sense at all with reference to my questions by the way, but hey, if you don’t have an answer, you dont have an answer, it’s cool.

Oh, and as stated before, comments presumed to be profound, are no substitute for a good scientific answer.

My post btw was intended for further discussion, not as personal attack, which you seem to have taken it as, it was just written in a hurry, but sure, whatever you say.

-Jacob.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-17
You said: The man who looks TOO deeply Mr Kuldeep, ends up seeing nothing.

And now not So Deep…

By the way what was your precise question? I would love to answer it and I am not attacking you but you only want to listen to a certain song, and it happens that I am not singing it.

I am not a trained homeopath and neither I read Organon or any theory regarding it, yes I read Hahnmann’s story and adventure but that’s it. Still I will answer your question but what is it?

As I said before, after a long journey if one finds his luggage is missing… just opposite has happened with you. Person has arrived but luggage is missing.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-17
Sorry! Luggage has arrived but person is missing — lost.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Hahnemania     on 2006-10-17
The notsodeep was in response to “Hahne-MANIA”.

Which would suggest to me that you have something on your mind regarding my posts, and no, I listen to many different songs, if they have some basis in actual reality. You were stating how you believe Graphites etc are only effective when home made, I was stating this ISN’T the case, and you came back with some odd quirky little phrase which had no relevance to the question I asked, which btw is still there should you care to actually read it.

Hmm nm, this is pointless, as I siad before, we’re not even playing in the same ballpark, have fun with the fortune cookie phrases.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From bandarbabu2000     on 2006-10-17
Hi Kuldeep

Petroleum 200 and 1M worked for me and for others too.

You never read Organon!!

People like you and Pankaj, who have very good knoweldge of materia medica can do wonders, if you follow the principles enunciated in Organon.

Murthy
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From kuldeep     on 2006-10-17
dear hahnemania, I only stated my own experiences and I belive they are limited. If Murthy says that Petroleum 1M works on him, this adds to my own experience unless I don’t believe in other people.

I never read theory behind homeopathy and never used a a medicine about 30c.

Time to time for fun I read a complete picture of a materia and experiment with it, then it adds to my memory and work so over the time prescription gets diverse.

This year I chewed Rhus Tox several times and I thought I just don’t hurt me but then I discovered I was having eczema like symptoms on my eyelids, surface was raw for many months. So a proving waa made and used it on a person with eczema on his eyelids and miraculously person cured in two days.

Match Stick remedy also gave me many miracles. (burning a match stick close to water and immidiately dipping in the water before the head burns out.) This is a composite remedy, contains sulphur, kclo3, phosphoric acidum, carbo hydrate … etc.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From rajivprasad     on 2006-10-17
Dear Kuldeep,

I love your boldness as well as simply accepting what you have read and what you have not.At least you are not pretending anything.Never mind if you have not read the organon.But no harm in reading it as it is a very small book.It can’t harm you in any way.

Keep your experiments going.I will certainly try the match stick remedy after proving it on some close friends.

Rajiv
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From PANKAJ VARMA     on 2006-10-17
Aaah Murthy!! Be careful….a compliment slipped out!
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From PANKAJ VARMA     on 2006-10-17
see the thread started by me on 24th december 2003:

single or a number of medicines

i just brought it up again.

pankaj varma
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From bandarbabu2000     on 2006-10-17
Hi Pankaj

It is not a slipped out compliment.It is intentional and a fact.

This is the unfortunate situation. You people have grasped the matera medica very well,but are failing in the administration and repetetion aspects, due to lack of proper understanding of the fundamentals.

Only if you people stick to the fundamentals of

1)Similar remedy

2)Single remedy

3)Minimum dose

4)Repetetion only when progress is halted

5)Selection of a new medicine if new symptoms show up

6)upping the potency,in case symptoms return unchanged, and no new symptomsare added.

and similar other time tested princiles,you can do wonders.

My sincere request will be to read ‘Organon’ with an open mind, as if you knew nothing about homeopathy.

You will wonder why you missed it, all these years.

Murthy
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Joe De Livera     on 2006-10-17
I would like to copy Rajiv’s analysis on how Arnica, which you may remember I have been using on a nightly basis for 11 years, has helped me.

I can confirm that it has not done me any harm so far and it is not likely to do so in the future. I am convinced that it has helped me to maintain my state of health at the level it is today. What is more, I have proved that when I stopped it for a few weeks, I felt distinctly old, which I will be at 77 years in a couple of days.

“Arnica, as everyone knows is the number one remedy for the shock of a trauma, whether the trauma is physical or mental.The reason is that it has a tendency to increase the flow of oxygen to the site of trauma.In case of physical trauma, to the site of injury, and in case of mental shock, to the affected part of the brain.That is why it is one of the leading remedies in the cases of brain haemorrhage too.Evn when a person is very fatigued after very severe hard work, a dose of Arnica brings a calming influence and takes away the fatigue due to increased oxygenation in the blood.What is happening in your case is that due to your old age (which causes poor oxygenation due to old age) and your hard working routine (which must be causing a lot of internal wear and tear at the cellular level), Arnica acts like a kind of ‘superficial similimum’ and tones you up so to speak ensuring nice sleep etc.Arnica is one of the main remedies that Dr.Parimal Banerjee (one of the greatest homeopaths that India has ever produced with the world record of having treated over 1.5 million people in his time) recommends for high blood pressure.The reason is again very simple to see.Arnica naturally pushes the blood flow, and causes the heart to relax a bit in confirmed cases of hypertension.In such cases, hypertension is the disease condition to which Arnica acts as a ‘superficial similimum’.In fact, your experiment on your own self has definitely encouraged me to conduct some experiments of my own.These experiments were inspired by you.My father-in-law was suffering from gangrene of his right toe, which was in danger of being amputated.I asked him to take the wet dose of Arnica 30 and to apply Arnica Q dilution externally.The condition was healed in two months.The reasonis simple enough.The Arnica caused the highly oxygenated blood to reach the gangrenous toe.So yes, your self proving of Arnica is valuable to the homeopathic community, but more care should be taken in prescribing.There should be circumstances calling for Arnica, rather than prescribing it left, right and center to all comers.Even young people.That could cause a proving. ”

This example may serve to negate the theory expressed above.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Joe De Livera     on 2006-10-17
Correction to the last line above;

This example may serve to negate the theory expressed in the previous post above.
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From bandarbabu2000     on 2006-10-17
Hi Joe

Arnica is a very short acting remedy, and hence might not have posed any problems for you.

By the time you are taking your second dose, the first one’s action might have been completed already.

What we are telling is that the previous action of the medicine is to be allowed to be completed,before repeating it.

Medicines like Sulphur act even upto 60 days. I get benefit from Petroleum only after the first week.

Don’t generalise things, and try to cite your experience with Arnica in each and every thread.

I again repeat, what works for Joe, need not work for the billions of people on the earth.

Murthy
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From bandarbabu2000     on 2006-10-17
What Rajiv said is more or less same as I said.

See his concluding remarks.

” There should be circumstances calling for Arnica, rather than prescribing it left, right and center to all comers.Even young people.That could cause a proving. ”

Murthy
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From rajivprasad     on 2006-10-17
Dear Joe,

Can you please explain what did you mean by your following statement:

“This example may serve to negate the theory expressed above.”

Which example are you talking about?

Rajiv
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Joe De Livera     on 2006-10-17
Hi Murthy

Please do not get me wrong. I would never advocate that deep acting remedies like Sulphur should ever be used in the manner that I am using Arnica. It is just that I felt that Arnica should not fall within the remedies that you had in mind in your post that I mentioned it in my post above.

As for my prescribing Arnica “right left and center” I can assure you that I do not do so except in the many cases that I have discovered that it helps where the other standard remedies do not. I have only prescribed for helping with acne in the case of teenagers.

You are invited to visit a thread on Arnica which I posted some time ago where you will see that I have used it to help in some unusual cases where it has never been used before:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/42450

Joe
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From Joe De Livera     on 2006-10-17
Hi Ravi,

Murthy’s theory.

Joe
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Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many cases    From PANKAJ VARMA     on 2006-10-17
Hi Murthy!
I am referring to the post you have addressed to me today.

My comments:

You and Rajiv were repeatedly asking me about the books I was using as reference. I just gave you both one name…of DR.V.R.BAJAJ and R.K.TANDON.
(Homeopathic Guide to Family Health)….to see a sample of the comments you both would come out with.

May I inform you…that book devotes a whole chapter to the life and work of Dr. Samuel Hahnemann.

That book has a whole Chapter on “Organon of Medicine” by “Dr. Samuel Hahnemann”.

In its chapter on Selection of Remedy …the authors have reproduced Section 83 to 90 of the Organon.

Frankly, I was be-numbed on reading yours and Rajiv’s unpleasant comments (putting it mildly) on that book.

That book is with me since 1992.

Are you assuming that from 1992 to 2006…I wouldn’t have read anything about or from the Organon???

(If just had that limited info about me).

I am again and again stating that your system and my system are different. And the choice was made after “looking at the other side also”. I found my system more effective.

In that debate I made very important points that are relevant to the growth and acceptance of homeopathy by a larger number of people in the world compared to the acceptability it has today.

Those comments were made in great seriousness and as they have been there in my thoughts for a long time.
(Like the need for an instrument and a unit for measuring the strength of the “Vital Force”).

They relate to observations for the future growth of homeopathy…things that are yet to be discoverd (looking beyond the wall).

My request to you, Rajiv and Jacob is to make considered remarks and not abrupt remarks.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma

Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-17Hi Murthy!
I am referring to the post you have addressed to me today.

My comments:

You and Rajiv were repeatedly asking me about the books I was using as reference. I just gave you both one name…of DR.V.R.BAJAJ and R.K.TANDON.
(Homeopathic Guide to Family Health)….to see a sample of the comments you both would come out with.

May I inform you…that book devotes a whole chapter to the life and work of Dr. Samuel Hahnemann.

That book has a whole Chapter on “Organon of Medicine” by “Dr. Samuel Hahnemann”.

In its chapter on Selection of Remedy …the authors have reproduced Section 83 to 90 of the Organon.

Frankly, I was be-numbed on reading yours and Rajiv’s unpleasant comments (putting it mildly) on that book.

That book is with me since 1992.

Are you assuming that from 1992 to 2006…I wouldn’t have read anything about or from the Organon???

(If just had that limited info about me).

I am again and again stating that your system and my system are different. And the choice was made after “looking at the other side also”. I found my system more effective.

In that debate I made very important points that are relevant to the growth and acceptance of homeopathy by a larger number of people in the world compared to the acceptability it has today.

Those comments were made in great seriousness and as they have been there in my thoughts for a long time.
(Like the need for an instrument and a unit for measuring the strength of the “Vital Force”).

They relate to observations for the future growth of homeopathy…things that are yet to be discoverd (looking beyond the wall).

My request to you, Rajiv and Jacob is to make considered remarks and not abrupt remarks.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom rajivprasad on 2006-10-17Dear Pankaj,

I did not make any abrupt remark about you.Go back to that thread and see all the posts in sequence.You called me a ‘television reporter” and i kept showing respect to you.I appreciated your knowledge of the materia medica.Next day, i woke up in the morning and when checked this forum page, i saw your aggressive tone and then you derogated me by calling ‘kid’ etc.I returned the compliment.But in the end i apologised to you for being elder to me.Still i can see that you refuse to tone down your aggresiion.

Can you show me one abrupt remark that i made?That is not the way i am.

If you are thorough with the Organon, good for you.But i can only discuss within the framework of what portion of your knowledge you display through your posts.If you choose to protect your ‘brand equity’ and still call something hidden from the world as ‘my system’, what can one make of it?How can a brand have brand equity when what that brand represents is lost upon everyone.If you indeed have a system of homeopathy that you have developed, please write a book and share with the world.Then one can discuss the merits and demerits of that book.But then, a system also has a philosophy behind it, the need for such a system, a proper explanation why the author considers the old system or systems to be a failure and so on.You believe in multiple remedies at the same time.Fine.But what is the philosophy behind it?How do they work?Explain in great detail to the world.If you feel your ‘brand equity’ will be eroded, then write a book.It will compensate you financially for the information that you shared with the world apart from bringing name and recognition from other homeopaths.But in the absence of a detailed explanation of ‘your system’, do not claim abut it.

I do not have any personal system.I follow the great masters of homeopathy and learn humbly at their feet.I also learn from other fellow homeopaths and their experiences.

Rajiv Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-17Rajiv,

That was an explaiantion of “Muna Bhai”….I didn’t call you Muna Bhai / kid….heaven’s sake!!
Muna bhai came in becoz of the rose flowers.

If you have doubts about the understanding/interpretation of a post…you are welcome to directly ask me thru e-mail.

Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom rajivprasad on 2006-10-17Dear Pankaj,

I am again pasting the relevant portion to which i had just referred in my last post on this thread which you had written in my ‘honour’ a few days ago:

“I can now understand some of your bitterness…which stems out of your illness.

I wish you “Get Well” and send you a bouquet of roses just like Munna Bhai did to Lucky Singh …in Munna Bhai Lage Rahoo.

Pankaj Varma

For those who don’t understand Hindi:

Muna Bhai Lage Rahoo ….literal meaning…Kid Brother! keep persisting!

Hidden meaning…..Kid Brother! I may not agree with you..but I admire your preseverence!”

You made a blanket statement that my ‘bitterness’ (only you could see bitterness in my open appreciation of your knowledge of materia medica) stems from my ‘illness’.What a summary conclusion?How did you know that i am still very ill?While you were busy seeing the ‘bitterness’ in me, praises kept pouring on me for my loving and compassionate nature.

How can the correct translation of ‘Munna Bhai’ be ‘kid brother’?It will be ‘Brother Munna’.If your real intention is only to render an accurate translation, then what was the need to give your hidden (which was openly mentioned) message which was as follows:

“Hidden meaning…..Kid Brother! I may not agree with you..but I admire your preseverence!”

I took it as a slight as it is very clear to anyone who has a little knowledge of the English language.So i returned the compliment in a like manner.

This was just to keep the matters straight and to sort it out between you and me.

Rajiv Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-17quote

“hi ravi,

murthy’s theory.

joe”

hi joe

it made me to laugh.

it is not murth’s theory. it is hahn.’s theory. it is homeopathy.

murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-17Hi Pankaj

Organon is not only about selection of remedy.

It looks to me you read it in bits and pieces.My advice is to read it from cover to cover in one sitting, when your mind is fresh. It may take a couple of hours, but it is worth it.

Coming to the nature of your comments, you have a tendency to hit below the belt.

Your comment on Rajiv’s illness is in very poor taste, and it is natural that one reacts strongly,if a reveletion of previous illness, for the sake of discussion, is used to settle scores.

Myself and Rajiv are trying hard to put the bad things that are said behind us.
Please understand it.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom sazim on 2006-10-17Dear Pankaj and Kuldeep, Jacob and Murthy

Homeopathy is an ever expanding science bordering on paraphysics (where matter equals energy), and is a much much advanced system to cure diseases. Allopaths and hard core scientists are still scratching their head about its functionality, so debating about the classical and neoclassical ways of practicing homeopathy wont yield results on this
forum.

I totally agree with Jacob and Murthy, that you cannot go against the basic principles of homeopathy as envisaged by the great Hahnemann. Hahnemannic homeopathy has some basic principles, which if avoided, would put you in such a peril, that you would be completely lost. To cure completely is to follow Hahnemannic homeopathy, but that doesn’t stop anyone to improve the basic principles as well.

Einstein proved that nothing can exceed the speed of light within the laws of known physics, but that law is based on the assumption that you are travelling from point “A” to point “B”. Interestingly if you change the assumption, that is instead of going from point “A” to point “B”, let point “B” come close to point “A” (through molding of space), you will break the basic law of physics. (travelling more than the speed of light)

What I am trying to say is, that Hahnemann is not the final word on homeopathy, he was a great revolutionary who showed us what homeopathy is, and how miraculous it can be, but its upto the scientist/doctors of today and tomorrow, who will make great strides into this remarkable gift which our creator has bestowed on us.

Regards

sazim Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-17Actually, it’s HAHNEMANN’S theory, not Muthy’s, which would be known had the above poster actually studied the subject in detail.

“As for my prescribing Arnica “right left and center” I can assure you that I do not do so except in the many cases that I have discovered that it helps where the other standard remedies do not.”
Hmm, that’s odd, because I have been here only 2 or 3 weeks, and I have seen either Nat Phos or Arnica ‘prescribed’ by the above person to practically every new body seeking help, and the same on other forums, and also, the ‘Arnica wet dose’ is something they tout as cure for practically everything from anal fistula to hair loss, including their own nightly dose for keeping them fit at an old age.

-Jacob. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-17Sorry Murthy, I see you have already posted this, my link had only brought me to the second page of this thread, and indeed, it supllied a good chuckle here too 😉

-Jacob. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-17Hi sazim

You are right. The development shouldn’t stop and it didn’t stop.

For example Hahn. was not in favor of nosodes. But, you hardly find a classical homeopath who doesn’t use them.

Hahn. was highly critical of coffee. Now,many homeopaths feel his views on coffee are not very accurate, and coffee is to be avoided only if the person is addicted to it.

However, the fundamentals of homeopathy remain the same.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-17Dear Sazim, I could not have put this better myself, and totally agree with all your points, especially the latter, which is, it may suprise some to read, very much the centre of my own work.

As Kent said, “when Homoeopathy is hundreds of years old, our successors will acquire knowledge that we do not possess now.”
A quote I have always used to defend my own further elaborations and theories based on true doctrine, when these are attacked by others.

It just requires a very good knowledge of the subject to realise what really IS new theory and advancement based on this doctrine, and what is harmful deviation and useless theory.

-Jacob. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-17″My request to you, Rajiv and Jacob is to make considered remarks and not abrupt remarks.”

That is perhaps the most Ironic and laughable statement I have ever read in my life. Some should try looking in their own graden rather than over the wall to their neighbour’s…

(…hmm, this ‘profound quote’ thing at the end of posts, is becoming quite contageous, maybe I CAN see the point of it…when it actually makes sense that is 😉 )

-Jacob. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-10-17″What I am trying to say is, that Hahnemann is not the final word on homeopathy, he was a great revolutionary who showed us what homeopathy is, and how miraculous it can be, but its upto the scientist/doctors of today and tomorrow, who will make great strides into this remarkable gift which our creator has bestowed on us. ”

Sazim’s quote copied above with which the present company has agreed, epitomizes my own use of Homeopathic remedies which this same company has classified as Joepathy. Edit Post Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-17Dear Joe

You don’t know anything about homeopathy, except the names of few medicines.

Please back off from this learned discussion.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-10-17I did not realize that you could be that RUDE. Edit Post Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-10-17It is remarkable how you descended from Hpathy.com to the ABC a few days ago and proceeded immediately to display your high faluting concept of what to you, is classical homeopathy by keeping on criticizing me and others who have been on this forum for many years and who have spent a lot of time in our dedicated efforts in helping those who post on this forum.

It is a matter of interest to me and to other members of this forum that you have not tried to help by prescribing any remedies to those who post here in the hope of a cure. I would suggest that you put your money where your mouth is and show the resident patients and prescribers here how you would treat an ailment instead of causing so much unnecessary friction by insisting on your own concept of classical homeopathy with your abrasive comments which only serves to disturb the peace and love that this forum was noted for till you invaded it after an absence of many years.

I would like to add that my patients whom I have helped with my own concept of Homeopathy think otherwise. I copy below an example:

re: anal fistula- fissure    From overanxious     on 2006-10-17
Dearest Jo what an Angel you are!…

I have had the Doc look at me today.. The cut is there and it does keep opening with little blood every two or three weeks. “No fissure” “No Fistula” Dry and External Hemroids with its accompanying little hole.. I have ordrered all I need Homeopathically and the Doctor has given me the Antibiotic Ointment for when and if the hole does open up again. I have lost another 3 kg in weight this week. I have gone from being morbidly obese to obese.. heading for just FAT now (Chuckles)

I thank you from the center of my being

re: anal fistula- fissure    From Joe De Livera     on 2006-10-17
You embarass me with your comments!

I am glad that your doctor reassured you that all is well and the best news is that he gave you that much needed prescription for the Antibiotic ointment which is an essential part of this therapy. Use it liberally to ensure that the lesion is permitted to heal without the bacteria.

Keep on with the Arnica but if you do not have any pus discharge, you can drop the Silicea.

Keep us posted with the progress of your lesion which I feel will quickly heal. Edit Post Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-17Dear Joe

You are mistaken that I shy off from prescribing here.

I did so,and got good feedback, even very recently.

See the Nux.Vomica thread.

I will not prescrinbe like you guys at the drop of a hat.

Rajiv and Jacob have already started prescribing here.

I too will do so, when time permits.

But,primarily, I took it upon myself to expose all this pseudo homeopathy.

Unless and until the moderator feels that I am doing a disservice to the patients here, I will continue, in exposing these reckless prescriptions.

I want ABC too to be known as a good homeopathic forum.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-17Hi Joe

See the Asthma topic.fauzia now comes out with the truth.

Your Nat.sulph therapy did aggravate her daughter.

Now, what do you say?

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom kuldeep on 2006-10-17If there is a motive to find a fault, it is always present. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-10-17To Murthy

I am copying below the first post of Fauzia the mother dated May 5 2006 who describes the pathetic condition of her daughter who was a chronic Asthmatic from the age of 1 year. She was on inhalers which she had to use merely to survive right up to the time that I took her case last May and she has been off inhalers for most of the time except when Fauzia panics and either rushes her to the doctor or gives her a puff which is very rarely today.

I am satisfied that the Nat Sulph has helped her as it was prescribed by me, first in the wet dose and then in the split dose but there is nothing that I can do to increase her resistance to URT infections which have invariably brought on an attack of her asthma. This cannot however be adduced to the Nat Sulph merely because the mother panics like she did with her croup which you will note did not bring on her asthma.

I have prescribed Ars Alb 200 to be used whenever she has an attack and cannot breathe and I cannot understand the reason why she does not follow my instructions.

I am considering changing the remedy to Blatta Orientalis 6c to be used in the same manner as the Nat Sulph as I too agree that the Nat Sulph may have reached the end of its ability to help her.

I do wish that I was able to cure the daughter’s Asthma as I have done in the case of many other patients but this case seems to be more difficult than others that have responded and are cured as they do not use any remedy any more.

It will be appreciated that the mere fact that one case does not respond in the manner that others have done cannot be shown up as the general rule with the therapies that I have used to cure over 3000 patients on this forum which can be read if you have the patience to do so in the archives where I have over 4500 posts recorded.

I have in another post requested you to “put your money where your mouth is” and prescribe a remedy to help the patients on the ABC instead of invariably criticizing me and others on this forum.

You are invited to do so and join me in helping to resolve this case. All I am interested in is to see Fauzia’s daughter is healed and our joint efforts may succeed where my sole effort has not met with the success that I expected.

asthma

From fauzia
on 2006-05-26
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my daughter is 6 and a half yrs old and she is suffering from recurrent wheezing and cough from the age of 1 yr….the doctor diagnosed her as asthma patient…they prescribed her flexotide inhaler for 2 months last yr and ventoline inhaler incase of coughing….she had several asthma attacks of cough and wheezing almost every month till now…this yr also prescribed her of flexotide and ventoline inhalers for two months…but as long as she is on the inhalers she is ok but after a week of withdrawl she starts coughing etcc. atleast almost every night during sleep she coughs…i am really in need of help
i have tried so many homeopathy medicines but no permanent cure…can any of the doctors here help???? Edit Post Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-18″but this case seems to be more difficult than others that have responded and are cured”
The reason being, that there is no standardised cure for asthma, or any other complaint. Each case is to itself unique, and as stated eleswhere, such cases can only actually be termed CURED, by proper follow up, performed by a practitioner with knowledge of what to look for in terms of signs of supression.

-Jacob. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom kuldeep on 2006-10-18Beliefs! Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-18and…”Sazim’s quote copied above with which the present company has agreed, epitomizes my own use of Homeopathic remedies which this same company has classified as Joepathy.”
No, it does not, because you sir, do not follow Hahanemann. You merely pick and choose certain assertions he has made to justify your own methods. You would be well advised to actually sit down and read the Organon cover to cover, maybe then you will realise exactly what he would have thought, and indeed DID think of such methods as your own. Whatever it is you think you are practicing, please do not ever think you are following in the footsteps of Hahnemann, because you are most definitely not.

-Jacob. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-18Facts! and 200 years of them too 😉 Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-18″It is remarkable how you descended from Hpathy.com to the ABC a few days  ago and proceeded immediately to display your high faluting concept of what to you, is classical homeopathy by keeping on criticizing me and others who have been on this forum for many years and who have spent a lot of time in our dedicated efforts in helping those who post on this forum.”

The period of time involved is irrelevant, truth is truth…and wait, of what to Murthy is classical Homoeopathy? Please Joe, tell us, what is YOUR concept of classical Homoeopathy then? Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-18I told you Murthy, hours, not weeks.

and um, I’m glad you um…took it upon yourself…to expose all this pseudo Homoeopathy…

-Jacob.

Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-18I told you Murthy, hours, not weeks.

and um, I’m glad you um…took it upon yourself…to expose all this pseudo Homoeopathy…

-Jacob. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom kuldeep on 2006-10-18Dear Hahnemania, I am not a critic or a guardian of any fixed pathy.

I consider pseudohomeopathy also a good-pathy which benefits mankind.

I do not consider any path holier then thou’s path.

This world needs all kind of people all kinds of paths, all kinds of pathies. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-18And this is your choice to make. I however, will only settle for absolute truth, and always will.

-Jacob. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-18And this of course is your choice to make. I however will only settle for absolute truth, and always will.

-Jacob. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-18Hmm, my first reply did post, despite not showing, apologies to moderator, delete as you see fit.

-Jacob. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom kuldeep on 2006-10-18Yes thy truth is absolute. God blessed you and you are enlightened. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-18I do not believe in such things, but each to his/her own I guess. I searched and I found, It’s that simple. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom ripas on 2006-10-18In the raging debate of classical homeopathy v. ‘mixopathy’ or ‘anything goes-pathy’, lets consider this.
Homeopaths who follow the elementary rules at least have a basis for this: they have the theory and the rationale behind why homeopathy works.
If we are to accept or even stop opposing ‘mixopathy’ and its sibling ‘thisforthatpathy’, lets have the promoters and the supporters propound their theory. Every school of medicine has its foundations in certain beliefs. Medical advice, after all, impacts people’s quality of life in the long run, especially if repeated mis-prescriptions are made. I would let go – for now – the acute prescribing that is done on few facts and no knowledge of the patient. Hopefully, an acute condition will limit itself before too much harm is done. It is the chronic prescribing or long-term advice (like the ridiculous arnica-every-night — I wonder, if someone starts with arnica 30, succussed and plussed for 8 years, what potency is it now?) that is so worrisome. Even more worrisome is that there are those who refuse to realize or acknowledge this fact.
So please do tell us – what is the basis for mixopathy or joepathy? What theory rules? Can I take a guess? The same theory behind allopathy?
I am thankful that there are finally a few voices here initiating a debate – thank you, Jacob, Murthy, Rajiv Prasad. It is an old trick to insult, deride and make personal attacks when the ones questioned do not have real answers. far easier to scoff at the people and call their very valid inquiries garbage and rubbish rather than stop to think that the motives of the questioners are not to deride the prescribers (not to begin with – but if someone keeps attacking, a person will either retire in disgust or fight back. The first option gives the attacker the illusion of victory; the second invites insinuation that the defence is somehow unwarranted!) but solely from concern for the system we know can do so much if only it’s not misused.
And finally, I think Pankaj asked somewhere how come if the classical homeopaths were right that Joe is still going strong after years of arnica. How do you know? How do you know the state of Joe’s internal health? How do you know that there has not been any alteration that is undiscernable to him – maybe he was less stubborn and had the humility to learn before? How do you know his wife hasn’t poured out his arnica and replaced it with water? How do you know that arnica did not stop its action long ago and its is only Joe’s mind providing a placebo effect? Or maybe Joe is a unique case? Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Nesha-India  on 2006-10-18Joepathy = A.D.D.

Homeopathically Rules Explained : “PLACIEBO method ”

A medicine given JUST to SIMPLY MAKE-BELIEVE satisfy the patient that he is taking some medicine for his problems / diseases. Mostly, these medicines are do not have any physically curative effect. BUT to only INDUCE & satisfy the patient INTO BELIEVING psychologically that these medicines are working on him. The patient by psychological law of Expectation (anticipation) starts believing in the placebo medicine and experiences some psychological relief, BUT THE INTERNAL  DEEP-SEATED CAUSATIVE DISEASE FACTOR REMAINS THE SAME and further  dangerously cumulates into a powerful inter-woven complicated case disease.

CONSIDER THIS (by Winston Churchill) :
“A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on”

Remain Healthy & Happy ……. Nesha-India Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-10-18To Ripas,

If you are really interested in investigating my attitude to Homeopathy I would request you to visit my post entitled “In defense of my attitude towards Homeopathy” which strangely enough was addressed to you and which you can find if you do a search under this same title on the ABC. I shall copy it below but after I have replied some salient facts that you have questioned which I feel I must reply to first.

The post that is dated July 21 2006 addressed to you gives you almost all the answers that you have posed in your post above but I shall pick out a few matters from it to give you short answers to them for purposes of clarification as requested by you.

I have always refused to accept the classical theory that remedies must never be given on a daily basis. I do agree that ALL remedies cannot be given in this manner but I have no hesitation in using Arnica 30c in the wet dose (or the dry dose in pellets) on a daily basis. I have used this remedy myself for the last 11 years and I can assure you that if I stop the daily dosage for about 3 weeks I will find that my years hang on me and my BP also shoots up by about 10mm on both Systolic and Diastolic levels. My pulse also goes up to around 90 at rest. FYI my BP today is 117/76 with pulse 63 checked a short while ago. If as you fear I was to suffer under the standard warnings given by only classical homeopaths about the repetitive use of Homeopathic remedies like Arnica, I would not be writing this reply to you right now.

I note your concern about my using just plain water instead of the remedy nightly but right now I am using 3 No 30 pellets of the remedy that I have made in common with all remedies as I get the liquid remedy in ethanol and activate the lactose pellets myself. There is absolutely no possibility whatever of anyone interfering with my Arnica which is today the only remedy that I take daily.

I do admit that it may seem strange that I have a penchant for Arnica and for Nat Phos and the reason why I use these remedies so often is because I have discovered that the majority of cases that I handle on the forums have benefitted by them. You can read the research that I have done on Arnica by doing a search for “Arnica the miracle remedy” and you may be surprised that I have listed many more ailments that this amazing remedy can be used for which are not listed in the MM’s. As for Nat Phos I have used it extensively for GERD related ailments and it has worked in the majority of cases if they were caused by hyperacidity with some being relieved in a few minutes after taking this remedy.

I believe that the reason that the majority of classical homeopaths use this long drawn out case taking procedure is because they wish to ensure that the patient is suitably impressed by their exclusive prowess which eventually results in a single remedy which usually does not give the patient, say in a GERD case, the relief that he wants ASAP. This also ensures that the patient has to return to the homeopath on a weekly basis to be given the next remedy and all visits are not free. I have had many patients who have been fooled by their homeopaths for some months who posted their ailment on this forum and in the case of GERD type ailments I invariably have prescribed Nat Phos 6x and the patient reports almost instant relief and usually is cured in a few months of this daily routine.

The point that I wish to make is that while classical homeopathy may have its uses in the hands of experts in the science like Dr Luc de Schepper whose name is mentioned on the opening page of this forum today and whom I know personally as he was here with me shortly after the Tsunami in Sri Lanka, and others of his caliber, the average homeopaths especially those who practice in the Indian Subcontinent who have over 25 patients on a daily basis, cannot possibly pretend to use the classical system as the time they will have to expend on each patient will make it impossible for them to see the over 100 patients they treat on a daily basis. I can vouch for the fact that this is the standard form adopted in Sri Lanka by the homeopaths whom I have discussed this matter with and I am also assured by my friends in India and Pakistan that this is indeed the norm except of course in the case of the few classical homeopaths who are exclusive and of course expensive to  consult. I do not blame these classical types for using their skills in the manner that they were commanded to do by their superiors also of the classical school but I reserve the right not to follow their example simply because my ‘thisforthatpathy’ now also known as ‘Joepathy’, seems to have stuck as it has been picked up by the Search Engines, which is a fact that I was not aware of till a few days ago.

I have proved that there is no danger of the remedies that I use generally do not constitute any hazard when prescribed in the manner that I use them. They have invariably served to help the patients who have used them and you can refer to the comments of patients who have benefitted from my treatment. It is interesting to record that some patients were at first suspicious of my non classical ideology and preferred to use the remedies prescribed by classical homeopaths with no positive response. This was the case of an asthmatic boy whose mother did not use the Nat Sulph therapy that I use extensively for Asthma and when she discovered that the remedies that a classical homeopath did not help him she gingerly gave him just 1 teaspoonful of Nat Sulph 6c and within a few hours he was asleep without the usual congestion in his lungs which had been treated for many years with steroids and later with classical remedies and finally with the Nat Sulph. He is, I believe, still on a split dose of this remedy as the mother has not posted any news for some months.

As you may know, I am not a professional homeopath and only use my skills free of charge to help anyone who consults me in Colombo and on the forums. I have sufficient confidence in my own Joepathy to be able to help anyone and if I am not certain of my ability to do so, I always refer them to others who may be able to help. I believe that my attitude to homeopathy has been felt in classical circles as I have recently been the target of many classical homeopaths who have attacked me with unusual ferocity which I presume they have leveled at me because I have rocked their precious homeopathic boat just a little too much. As far as I am concerned I shall continue to use my skill in the manner that I have done so far and you are invited to read the many tributes from grateful patients who have been at least helped and many who have been cured by me.

I believe that it is time for the classical types to also help the patients who post on this forum instead of compelling me to waste my time in responding as I am now doing to their attacks as their attitude is not designed to promote the science that they have spent a lot of time in acquiring but prefer to use to deride my efforts to help others in the manner that I have done for many years, with outstanding results as evidenced on the ABC.

I shall now copy my post of July 22 2006 addressed to you below:

In Defense of my attitude to Homeopathy

From Joe De Livera
on 2006-07-22
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In defence of my attitude to Homeopathy From Joe De Livera on 2006-07-21
Dear Mr Ripas,

I note that you are responding to a post that I made on July 12 in response to yours of the same date.

From the general trend of your argument I believe that it is my direct treatment of the ailment that you seem to resent, perhaps because you have seen that many patients whom I have responded to on this forum have confirmed that they have been helped and in many instances cured. This routine of cures does not only pertain to Asthma and I must admit that I used the direct allopathic method in prescribing the remedy with the success that you can read about on the respective threads.

I am amazed at the reasons that classical homeopaths like you can offer and I can see that you are only interested in defending the classical attitude to homeopathy which I too resort to with my Radar software if I am not familiar with the ailment or the response from the patient to the remedy that I prescribe has not been satisfactory, which occurs very rarely.

I do not object to classical homeopaths using their classical knowledge in treating any ailment. I do resent however when these classical types go to the level that Dinesh Sharma went to yesterday to attack me in his uncontrolled fit of rage which is only too transparent on the ABC which you can read on:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/67963/1

I shall copy my response below and this will also answer some of your own reservations on the direct method that I use to prescribe any remedy to my patients. It must be borne in mind that in the case of these patients, the resultant effect which leads to a cure has almost always been positive. There have been absolutely no instances of any remedy that I prescribed causing any form of distress or aggravation.

Re: Gastric Problem.
From Joe De Livera
on 2006-07-20
To Dinesh Sharma

I was appalled to note that you had addressed your post to me personally and deliberately repeated it 3 times over which I believe you did in a fit of anger as a result of my commenting on your prescribing what you fondly believed was your “classical constitutional remedy” to relieve the patient’s obvious distress from hyperacidity which sadly did not have the slightest effect in helping him for a whole month but only resulted in a serious aggravation of his condition when he was under  your supervision.

I believe that types like you who are so obsessed with your own importance which you have assumed as a result of your obtaining your diploma in Homeopathy should stop to consider that the primary reason for your spending a few years in the study of this precious science is to heal suffering humanity. It is only when people like you are forced to accept that the remedy that your classical training has taught you to prescribe which did not have the slightest effect in helping the suffering patient but instead had aggravated his condition to a degree that he was so obviously suffering from it, that you explode and then proceed to insult me and command me in UPPER CASE to “MIND YOUR WORDS” or in other words to SHUT UP.

I regret that I cannot oblige you by doing so as I strongly feel that types like you and a few others who play around with the lives of those who visit this forum in the manner that you have done for Bodapathi should be compelled to tender an apology to him for the damage that you have done to him by making his complaint which I believe is GERD infinitely worse during the last month. It is important that those who visit this forum should know the real person you are — haughty, self opinionated, and obsessed with your own interpretation of what you feel is Homeopathy which has done irreparable damage to at least one member.

I believe that what you need is the humility to accept that you have made a serious error in your prescription of Lycopodium 200 and to bow out gracefully from the thread and thereby permit others who are able to help, to do so in peace without having to waste time in resorting to this form of defense in replying to your tirade as I am now doing right now. In spite of the constraints of time that this form of defense involves I still felt that I should give you some food for thought to teach you how to prescribe at least in the future.

You will have observed that none of us who have been advisors on the ABC for many years and long before you even knew its existence and joined it, have upbraided or criticized you directly when we had reason to do so in previous lapses on your part. I do remember a previous instance when I had to advise you in a case similar to the present and you undertook to behave in a more acceptable manner.

It is the sheer arrogance that you displayed in your tirade that I find objectionable when you state:
“I tried to help him and infcat if you can read earlier post Lycopodium had helped him.But to change constitution requires time but you can not understand all this stuff as your are not a Homeopath”.
As far as I are aware Bodapathy did not show any positive response to your constitutional remedy Lycopodium 200 which sadly backfired on him and you were directly responsible to help him when he pleaded that it was not helping him when you insisted that it must help him perhaps because you had prescribed it and you were of course the last word in Homeopathy! You then proceed to insult me with your broken Indian English stating that ” you can not understand all this stuff as your are not a Homeopath”.

You must understant that if you persist in maintaining this arrogant attitude you may risk the wrath of other members and the management and may be banned from this forum permanently.

Bodapathi has decided to consult a Gastroenteriologist as the agony that you have caused him is too much for him to suffer. In doing so he will obviously be following his path to disaster as the specialist will no doubt prescribe the standard drugs used in medicine that inhibit the production of acid like Nexium, Prilosec to name only two which will only serve to palliate his ailment and will continue to send him on the path to GERD from which a return is extremely difficult as you can read from the experience of others who have been rescued even on this thread.

You must remember that it does not take that piece of paper which I presume you possess, which you like to flaunt to the other members of this forum with your title of “Dr” which you have used as a prefix to your name, to enable those who practice Homeopathy to help members who post their ailments. It is more the dedication of the prescriber to this science and the experience that he has accumulated throughout the past years that is important and not the careless attitude that you and many others in your profession cultivate when they discover after a few years in practice that they can safely assume the status of a petty god over their patients. You have only to read the post above from Pat to appreciate the level that some homeopaths descend to, merely to maintain that haughty devil may care attitude at the expense of the poor suffering patient. I am aware of some who deliberately do so in order to ensure that the patient has no alternative but to visit them even weekly to obtain relief from their ailment which could have been cured with perhaps a single remedy in a single consultation.

As you probably know, I have been deeply involved in this science since 1970 and after a period of study it is now my hobby which I practice free of charge both privately in Sri Lanka and on the ABC as I feel a deep sense of satisfaction to help in the alleviation of human suffering in my own way which you may have read in other threads on the ABC. Some of these cures have been commented upon by grateful patients as being miraculous.

I do hope that you will not repeat your hypercritical arrogant attitude as evidenced in your last post which you have repeated 3 times over and that you will not interfere in future with my sincere attempts to help in the alleviation of human suffering.

Joe De Livera

If as I presume you are a qualified classical homeopath who insists only on working within the narrow confines of the classical method that you have been inculcated into accepting during your studies, I would suggest that you spend some time on this forum which as you will see is easily the most prolific of Homeopathic forums in the world and is used by over 50 patients to post their ailment daily seeking a cure. I presume that many hundreds, perhaps many thousands of visitors also frequent it as they obviously can find matters of health discussed in it which may be of interest to themselves.

I would recommend that you use your time more fruitfully by helping to cure human ailments posted by patients on this forum rather than just picking on dedicated Homeopaths like me and force me to use my time to defend my attitude to Homeopathy which has invariably resulted in a cure in comparison to the cures that are achieved by the classical types whose antics are only too transparent on this forum.

Answering the matters that you have discussed in your post, I too agree that a virus cannot affect anyone for 2 weeks. We are however presuming that Fauzia’s children were affected for this length of time, which you will read from her response was not the case. She indicated that after she had her children’s throat swabs analyzed it was discovered that they were in fact infected by the Beta Haemolyticus Streptococcus for which the required antibiotic was used and she later confirmed that both her children were cured of the infection. Their Asthma was also being controlled by the Nat Sulph.

I would like to comment on your mention of the other remedies some of which I too have used in the cure of Asthma:

You state:
” The removal of suffering, as in asthma, is by itself a big achievemnet, but it is not a cure. I use Aconite 6 or /and Ipecac 6 or Blatta O 6, and a host of remedies from Arsenic and Carbo Veg to Nat Sulph- and others, but among these, Aconite, for instance, willnot be curative. Blatta 6 will have to be given in high potency in between – if it is the matching remedy. However, like your nat Sulph prescription, by and large Aco and Ipecac relieve the symptoms. ”

I have used Blattta Orientalis but in 30c potency in the dry dose for the treatment of Asthma in the case of a professor of Physics in our university in the hills in Sri Lanka. He stated that he was OK at sea level in Colombo but that when he went to his university located in Kandy that he often was unable to breathe. Blatta O fixed his problem and it did that permanently about 2 years ago and he can be considered  fully cured. I have used Ipecac for a patient who was on Nat S but had a persistent cough which was resolved by the remedy.

I have recommended the use of Ars Alb 200 in the dry dose when the patient is unable to breathe when he would reach for his Inhaler. FYI I have noticed that within about 20 minutes the patient who is gasping for breath, is able to breathe without any discomfort. I have not however used Carbo Veg and Aconite and would not like to do so as I only prescribe remedies that I have used myself, or in this case as I am not an Asthmatic, remedies that I have discovered evoke a positive response from the patient.

You may like to know that almost all cases of Asthma that I have treated have responded positively to Nat Sulph 6c in the wet dose and later the split dose which I use after about a month on the remedy direct from the bottle.

You state:
“When a palliative remedy is used, leave aside the usual concerns of what other effects it might have, the thing is that a closely matched remedy which might cure is ignored. The principle of a doctor or practitioner is to heal. To heal you need to know all you can about the system you are using, its theory, its tools – all the remedies. I am not against you because you are a lay practitioner. I am against your practice of not attending to the principles because you have found what you think of as success and don’t care to rock the boat except in defiance of what you think are a bunch of fuddy-duddies raining on your parade. ”

I do not agree with you that the remedies that I use are only “palliative”. It just depends on how you choose to interpret “cure”. If it is permanent it can be considered a cure but otherwise it is palliative. In the case of Asthma the cure especially in the case of chronic cases is sometimes long drawn out and may take some months. The healing process continues throughout the period the patient sips the one teaspoonful of the remedy daily and this is a far cry from the tablets and inhalers usually multiple inhalers all of which are loaded with all the choice steroids that the patient has been used to using for a lifetime.

A teaspoonful of NS does not in any way harm the patient and even I, after so many cases of successfully resolving cases of chronic Asthma, often wonder how this minuscule dose of this chemical Sodium Sulphate also known as Glauber’s Salt can possibly have this beneficial effect on a patient who was as I stated has been an asthmatic during most of his life.

I do not agree that I as a lay practitioner must know ALL about the remedies I use which are the standard remedies that anyone can get from a pharmacy. It would be quite impossible for me to study ALL about the ailments that I prescribe for. I believe that it is that streak of originality that I seem to have been born with that makes me deviate from your obvious classical outlook which has resulted in my identifying many remedies in the classical Homeopathic texts for ailments that are not listed in them. If as you state you have read some others of my post on this forum you may have noticed that I have responded to the majority of the posts that patients have made and it would be safe to presume that the real reason for my success is that patients seem to appreciate my methodology in helping them as I believe that they have realized that they have resulted in more cures than those that the classical homeopaths have offered in terms of constitutional remedies and other experimental use of remedies which in a recent case was carried on for over a month when the patient was virtually screaming in agony while this homeopath continued to insist that the aggravation was part of the curative process, which in this case seemed to be unending. As you may have read the patient decided to seek an allopathic cure in sheer disgust at the homeopathic aggravation.

It is also a shame that some of these classical homeopaths use this forum to drum up business for themselves by contacting the patients directly. Their modus operandi is to pose a questionnaire to the patient within a few minutes of the original post and when the patient responds the reply from the homeopath is often delayed. Excuses are made that the ailment is under consideration as the selection of the remedy usually takes time. The patient in the meanwhile is desperate for a remedy as his ailment is causing him distress and then contacts the homeopath directly who states that the curative process will take a few months and offers to look after the patient for a handsome fee which has to be paid for the first consultation and a monthly fee to be paid for a year or more depending on the severity of the patient’s ailment.

Some of these patients have contacted me and a few of them have even copied the original emails of these homeopaths. I also have evidence of the direct approach to the patient from the homeopath with the offer to help for a fee. This ploy is resorted to when the patient does not have his email address in his profile when the homeopath requests the patient to send him photographs of the ailment to enable him to treat it better and thereby obtains his email address. It is a matter of some concern to all of us who treat anyone for the joy it gives us to see a patient cured which in my opinion is far greater than the money that others who practice for a fee professionally derive from curing someone in distress.

You state:
“I am against your practice of not attending to the principles because you have found what you think of as success and don’t care to rock the boat except in defiance of what you think are a bunch of fuddy-duddies raining on your parade.
I earnestly request you to please take some time to study, to use the repertory and, since you have the time and the inclination, to serve better.
It is not my intention to offend or put you down. I give you credit for trying, but you are not optimizing.”

As no doubt you are aware, I practice my own version of Homeopathy which has been recently branded “Joepathy”, I am convinced that my method is more direct and is less hazardous to the patient and what is most important, it results in a cure.

All I ask of you classical homeopaths is to permit me to continue with my mission of healing in the manner I choose which I feel is best for the patient. You are aware that this is a forum which is open to anyone who would like to voice an opinion and I would welcome any constructive opinions instead of the destructive insults that I have often had to suffer in the past (this does not include you) on this and other forums dedicated to Homeopathy.

In conclusion I would like to refer you to the first 2 Aphorisms of the founder of Homeopathy which I shall quote below:

? 1
The physician’s high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure, as it is termed

? 2
The highest ideal of cure is rapid, gentle and permanent restoration of the health, or removal and annihilation of the disease in its whole extent, in the shortest, most reliable, and most harmless way, on easily comprehensible principles.

The mere fact that I have to brave the criticism from people like you and even insults from others who pose as classical homeopaths shall not and will not make me deviate from the manner that I believe I am correct in following.

I shall end this essay with a quotation from Arthur Schopenhauer

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
— Arthur Schopenhauer —

Joe De Livera Edit Post Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-18Dear Joe

Best wishes for the success of ‘Joepathy’.

Since it is recognised even by the search engines as a different therapy,why all this comparision with classical homeopathy?

Your therapy has all the rules framed by you,practiced by you.

For the time being you are the only one practicing it.May your tribe increase.

Regards

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom kuldeep on 2006-10-18As Dr deoshlok sharma and I have commented. Joe made us study deeply about Arnica, Naturm Phos and Nat. Sulphate. We use these three medicines often.

My younger brother had severe eczema on his hands, my all medicines worked in the begining but later on eczema came back.

With just a tablet of nat sul 6x (I made it to 6c) his eczema is gone. For the last 6 months he is eczema free. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-18So,it makes three of you practicing ‘Joepathy’. I stand corrected.

All the best.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Nesha-India  on 2006-10-18Murthy,
Apologies, but you would be wrong.

“Joepathy” is practised by “joe” and “kuldeep alias hoolio, lopez, homeo_fan, stanzione, girilal, Steve Atur, lanif, pw3000, alchemist, laura11, silverman, varun14,l uxmi, kapil, jeevan, jeniffer, vinnie, and about a dozen other names.

BTW, is Dr deoshlok sharma, also practising “joepathy”?.

CONSIDER THIS once again. (by Winston Churchill) :
“A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on”

Remain Healthy & Happy ……. Nesha-India Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-10-18Dear Murthy

Thank you for your kind thoughts even though I seem to detect that undercurrent of sarcasm in them.

Please note that I was not responsible for the term Joepathy and I was quite surprised when someone pointed it out to me and I was intrigued that it had been picked up by the Search Engines, perhaps because they have also followed my outspoken attitude to that holy cow Classical Homeopathy. I have no qualms in using my own Joepathy as I have used some remedies in a manner that they have never been recorded for in the texts. The point that I wish to make is that if one discovers a remedy will help some ailment like for instance Arnica helps so many including Diabetes, why should not this remedy be also used by others? I have records of many patients who were chronic Diabetics who were using the standard drugs to overcome their ailment and after I put them on Arnica and Cinnamon, they discovered that they were suddenly free of their Diabetes. They have all been warned that they will have to take Arnica 30c for the rest of their lives in a dosage of 1 teaspoonful twice daily and I do not see any aggravation or other damage that has  been predicted by you and others that has resulted in their use of these 2 remedies,  which is far less damaging to their bodies than the drugs that they were using, in some cases for many years. You may like to know that Arnica helps both Type I and Type II Diabetics.

The main point to be considered in my use of remedies in the manner that I do, is that they have invariably helped the patients who use them. You have the possibility of reading the records of successful cures in the archives of this forum. You will appreciate that this is a public forum open to the eyes of the world and many thousands may read about the goings on, on the ABC and the manner that I have been attacked for standing up to the classical onslaught, I hope successfully.

You must realize that these constant attacks leveled against me by you and others of your ilk will only increase my exposure more and I hope that in your own interest you will keep your attacks down, or at least modulate them, in your own classical interest.

It is obvious that the more you attack me the more people will wish to know the real reason why I am being attacked, which is bad for your classical business.

Joe Edit Post Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-18Dear Joe

Don’t worry about classical homeopathy loosing its sheen because of our comments on ‘Joepathy.’

It is there since the last 200 years and will be there forever.

If our comments are making ‘Joepathy’ popular,it is for the better as far as you are concerned. Is it not?

So,sit back, relax and enjoy the popularity of your ‘Joepathy’. By your own admission, we are helping you to make it more popuular.

So, thank us, if you feel like.

Regards

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Nesha-India  on 2006-10-18Murthy,

Above is a very CLASSIC reply. I like it.

Remain Healthy & Happy ……. Nesha-India Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Hahnemania on 2006-10-18Rajiv has already given a detailed and FACTUAL explanation of how these methods appear to ‘work’, there is nothing which can be added. There is no cure, only palliation, except in a few rare cases, where the remedy given was the one which was ACTUALLY required for the case, hence…accidental.

-Jacob. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom kuldeep on 2006-10-18yes sir! whomever she does not like is my or Joe’s reincarnation. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-10-19I’m simply amazed at the traffic that I seem to generate on the ABC with my present band of detractors who now attack me on a daily basis, each of whom seems hell bent on criticizing me in his/her own inimitable way, with the avowed intention perhaps of silencing me. To me it seems unnatural that there should be such a concerted effort on the part of each of them to use the time they spend on the ABC in focussing his/her attention in criticizing me.

It is very strange however that the general membership, still seems to favour using my therapy, although one would have expected them to at least stop using them and to stop addressing their latest postings addressed to my attention, for fear of the dire danger that my therapy may, according to my detractors, pose to them (the patients) at a time hitherto undetermined, in the future.

It is possible that they still continue to use the remedies that I have prescribed as they have discovered that they invariably help to allay their pain and in many cases cure them. It is also possible that these patients still persist in contacting me as there do not seem to be others who are dedicated like me to deal with each of their cases as I do, with that special touch which may have precipitated this constant attack mode, anti Joepathy.

It will be noted that my detractors compel me to respond in my own defense which involves wasting my time on a daily basis, on what I feel is a negative approach to healing.

I call upon them individually and collectively to put their money where their mouth is and use their combined talents to prove to me and the rest of the membership that their own high faluting classical theories pertaining to curing ailments are superior to my own Joepathy.

I rest my case.

Joe De Livera Edit Post Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-19A very happy birthday to you Joe and many happy returns of the day.

Joe…there are others who have said the same about Arnica.

I remember another person …here on ABC who was 75 years …said he had been taking a dose of Arnica everyday for more than two decades. I think he was from South America. Will take me time to dig out the post.

The “Polycrests”…are defined as such. Meds that take care of a variety of ailments.

I am reproducing this from another site:

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These are known as ‘polycrest remedies,” from the Greek word ìpolychrest,î which means ” many uses.” Currently there are sixty-five such remedies.
Unquote

So enjoy your good health and keep spreading the sunshine.

Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-19 “Polychrests” Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-10-19To Pankaj

Thank you for your greetings on my 77th Birthday.

I am glad that you brought up my pet remedy Arnica in your post and was very interested to learn that there was another 75 year old who had been taking Arnica for even longer than I have been taking it, which is since 1996.

I shall be very interested to have some record of his post.

Joe Edit Post Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom ripas on 2006-10-24Joe, for someone who complains about being forced to waste time, you certainly churn out over-lengthy and extremely repetitive posts, without ever addressing the core issues.
I have ‘visited’ your article, and I’m afraid your illogic does not convince me. What defense are you claiming when you are so short-sighted that you are unable to gauge from symptoms following your faulty recommendations that you are not curing but causing other problems? That you are adamant on your viewpoint, which has no basis, but not only abuse real homeopaths, but loftily claim that real homeopathy will “die out” (because, of course, your great genius has discovered the REAL real homeopathy!)? That your knowledge is shallow and undefined, which is why you will not or cannot do anything other than practice allopathy disguised – and therefore mislead those who think they can depend on you? That you think nothing of not knowing your remedies – even the remedies you constantly employ -thoroughyly?
You quote Dinesh Sharma’s thread and say how appalled you are by his prescription and his “sheer arrogance”, but fail to see exactly those factors in your own.
If you were a homeopath, you would not need arnica every day. You would have found a remedy that cured you. Even from what you write, it is obvious that you don’t need arnica every day. Its effect is certainly not homeopathic. However, I concede that arnica has multiple uses – but so do most homeopathic remedies. I wish you good health with your protocol, but I don’t think you are remotely justified in cutting &  pasting it to anyone and everyone.
Any remedy that that have an effect on a person also has the potential to harm – please don’t use this cliched argument that “it can do no harm”.
HOW successfully have you “resolved” the asthma cases? Please go back and read the threads – classic palliation, and very likely suppression too. It’s a very good thing that those posters kept on posting for so long, so after the initial euphoria, the facts became obvious – if you care to see them. Obviously you don’t. Ifthis is how you count “successful” cases, then you are guilty of unintentional fraud. Sorry to be harsh, but just as you refuse to understand my point, I refuse to pander to yours.
I am certainly not here to “drum up business for” myself – if you will note, I do not even post my e-mail ID. I have enough to do, but because of my very great regard for homeopathy and the nonsense that goes on in the name of homeopathy, I will continue as far as I can to refute what is misleading.
Please also go and read the introduction to the Organon and you might see some advice for yourself. Don’t quote Hahnemann out of context or for your purposes. You are still a good man, but certainly no homeopath.
You remind me of those people who keep boxes of drugs like paracetamol and other OTC remedies and some antibiotics, creams, etc., they have had prescribed at some point, and with no more idea than that ‘this does that’, solemnly hand out medicines to anyone in need. Intention is very noble, I’m sure – but what about the results? I’m sure they too would insist that they “cured” X,Y or Z.
happy birthday anyway – sorry if this isn’t much of a gift. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Nesha-India  on 2006-10-24CONSIDER THIS :

Arnica is a CULT or a fad or a religion for “joepathy.

Arnica works for ANY & ALL diseases ONLY in a store in SriLanka.

– Arnica as “Global or Universal” remedy for ANY & ALL diseases is deliberately and falsely projected only through Homeo forums, “W H Y? ” … JUST simply to create a self-identity (which in psychological parlance is termed as “A.D.D.”.

– All around the world, The Homeopathic Medical Councils, will spit on SUCH “Cult” prescribing of Arnica for ANY & ALL diseases.

– Literally all the other Homeo sites & Forums have banned the propogator & manipulator of the Arnica CULT. Forums like ABC… & many others, are outside the purview of the local Homeopathic Medical Councils, and nuisance & false propogators of Arnica and Nat.Phos, find it very very convienent to carry out their self-glorifying nuisance without any social or moral sense of responsibility. OBVIOUSLY, the internet forums provide these nuisance CULT propogators a ready and safe “PSCYHO” outlet for their self-glorifications in the guise of “FREE HELP”, or “respected old age” or what-nots (sic).

ANYBODY WHO KNOWS A REMEDY FOR … “PSYCHOLOGICAL MASTURBATION”.

– Will these CULT (Arnica) propogators, be ever allowed to Medically practise in any country. They won’t be allowed and will be thrown out back to SriLanka. In SriLanka, THERE ARE NO HOMEOPATHIC INSTITUTIONS OR COLLEGES and neither ANY RULES & REGULATIONS WHATSOEVER.

– Majority of the patients who disappeared were false multiple login alias i.d.’s, used for self-glorification and sadistic pleasure created by such false CULT propogators, as caught by Nesha-India (one of them is “kuldeep alias girilal alias ……….”)

– OBVIOUSLY, “ONLY” incompetent Homeopaths WILL AGREE to the Arnica being a universal remedy for ANY & ALL diseases, WHICH IS VERY EASY TO PRESCRIBE on the basis of “THIS FOR THAT” allopathic theory.

– Homeopathy is not make-believe Forestry medicine, which can be un-authentically prescribed left and right. Homeopathy is a specific and precise razor-sharp art in medicine. Homeopathy requires very specific professional medical knowledge THAN RUNNING A STORE in SriLanka.

– Arnica, prescribing for ANY & ALL diseases, is like playing an Internet game, with nothing to lose. The Arnica prescriber cannot be held responsible, when a genuine patient’s case becomes further more complicated. Such patients will never ever know, what has actually caused such complications.

– CAN we all hide behind Arnica and say that just because “Joe” is a senior citizen, experienced and respectable, Arnica can be prescribed for ANY & ALL diseases. Such prescribing, when failed, will make the patient GO AWAY FROM HOMEOPATHY to other medicine systems like Allopathy ….. The distressed patients will lose hope and his trust in Homeopathy and in forums like this one. Patients will try the hare-brained one’s-favourite medicines, and on failure to get results, with frustration, just simply won’t bother to post on this forum and with frustration even stop visiting such forums.

– Can we all give Arnica as a PROPHYLACTIC for “ANY & ALL” diseases

– Can Arnica be given as a PROPHYLAXIS as a preventive treatment against “ANY & ALL” diseases

CONSIDER reading the entire posts in following links, wherein Nesha-India has been high-lighting (since a year) the nuisance of Mono “Arnica” prescribing for ANY & ALL diseases.

1, http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/35254/
Titled = “Homeopathy prescribed Allopathically – THIS FOR THAT”

2. http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/50156
Titled = “A R N I C A – For Anything and Everything”

A proverb by Nesha-India :
” Early to Arnica and Early again to Arnica makes a man Sleepy, Hairy & PACIFIED ”

Remain Healthy & Happy ……. Nesha-India Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-10-24Since the attack continues on my use of Arnica I am copying below the thread on “Arnica the Miracle Remedy” on

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/42450/

Arnica the Miracle Remedy – Brief case histories

From Joe De Livera    on 2005-11-08
38 replies    2313 views
I would like to note below brief case histories which I have recorded in the use of Arnica for various ailments.

It will be noted that some of the ailments that were successfully cured are not listed in the Repertories and the Materia Medicas now in use, and it is hoped that they are considered for listing in future editions, after more tests are carried out by those who can count on the facilities to carry out these tests.

WOUNDS 30c
Arnica 30c is the classical remedy to help cure wounds.

GENERAL TONIC IN DAILY USE 30c
I have used Arnica 30c which I discovered was better than the 6c for the last 10 years every night or more often in the case of need like after surgery. I believe that I owe to it my sense of wellness. I do not have any ache or pain in my body and I have proved that it is to Arnica that I owe my BP 120/80 with pulse 65 at age 76. I invite others to use it and to record their response to this remedy.

SUBSTITUTE FOR MORPHINE POST MAJOR SURGERY 200c and 30c
I have used this myself after my Retropubic Prostatectomy and can confidently recommend it for use after any major surgery. When I regained consciousness I noticed the Morphine syringe attached to the IV line and promptly ordered it removed to the consternation of the nursing staff and the surgeon, who warned me that I could even suffer from a major shock due to the pain without the morphine. I stated that I will use my Arnica alone to control the pain and they were very surprised to note that I was relatively free of pain after a few hours. I was able to leave my bed on the third day without any pain medication except for the Arnica I used every 2 hours at first and every 3 hours later. I was discharged on the 5th day and walked to my car. They were all amazed at my extremely quick recovery at 73 years.

EASES URINE FLOW CAUSED BY BPH 30c Wet Dose
I used Sabal S 6c and Conium 30c when I discovered that I was allergic to Hytrin that was prescribed for my BPH (Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia). I had a slight wound for which I used Arnica 30c and discovered that it was far superior to the other remedies I used for BPH and I stayed with it from 1996 up to my surgery in 2003 and used it after on a regular nightly basis.

HELPS TO CONTROL INCONTINENCE AFTER TURP 30c
It amazes me how this remedy that I have given over 20 patients who were suffering from the after effects of the TURP (trans urethral resection of the prostate) surgery who were incontinent due to some misadventure on the part of the Uro who had obviously damaged the sphincter muscle in the neck of the bladder. Arnica gave more time between visits to the toilet and in many cases it stabilized the incontinence in a few months. Others use it on a twice daily basis. Always in the water dose.

JET LAG 30c
I have used it for many years on every overseas trip. Dosage is 1 teaspoonful taken 3 times on the day before departure. Dry doses to be taken every 3 hours on board and 3 times on the day after arrival.

LACK OF MOTOR FUNCTION OF EXTREMITIES IN 82 YEAR OLD 1M Wet Dose
The patient gradually lost motor control of his hands and feet for about a year and was confined to either his bed or a chair where he was placed by his children. Drugs that were prescribed were not effective. This case was referred to me and my response was an act of faith on my part in giving him Arnica 1M which I gave him in the water dose. He was completely cured in 2 months. The dosage used was 1 teaspoonful (capful) twice daily. He is now quite mobile and does not use the remedy any more.

MENTAL DEGENERATION IN THE AGED 1M
I used Arnica 1M dose 1 tsp daily in the case of a 75 year old who was showing signs of Alzheimer’s and he showed perceptible improvement in 2 weeks which was continued thereafter. He is now permanently on the Arnica. Dose 1 tsp daily.

CHRONIC ACHES AND PAINS 30c
I have used it very often when the patient complains of general body pain (not arthritic). It is also useful for chronic back pain due to previous injuries. Sciatica is also helped by a twice daily dose.

INSOMNIA 30c
Almost everyone who has taken 1 teaspoonful of this remedy in the water dose prior to sleep has noticed the deep unbroken sleep that they experienced during the night. They wake up quite refreshed with a zing in their steps.

ECZEMA 6c
I have used it in over 30 cases some of which were chronic for over 10 years and within a week, the patient is usually cured. The success rate is better that 80%. I recommend that the remedy is continued but those who did not do so after about 3 months do not use it anymore and can be considered permanently cured. The skin condition after this time resembles Vitiligo especially in the chronic cases which had eroded the melanin in the skin which does not regenerate but there is no discomfort  or itchiness.

CELLULITIS 30c
I first used this remedy for a 78 year old lady who was suffering from recurrent reinfection of her legs. She had been to hospital every 6 months on 3 occasions for about a week each time where she was treated with the most powerful antibiotics which left her drained out like a rag. When she came out on the last occasion I gave her Arnica 30c in the water dose and she takes 1 teaspoonful before sleep. She was also an insomniac and now enjoys deep sleep and for the last 2 years she has not suffered from any reinfection from her Cellulitis. I have also used it for 3 other patients also in the same age group who had been hospitalized at least twice before in each case and they do not have any reinfection after many months or years. The Arnica seems to help by increasing the blood flow in the capillaries under the skin which in turn prevents reinfection. They have however to be on one dose of Arnica permanently.

PROMOTES GROWTH OF HAIR 30c
I would refer to the many posts on the ABC forum where I have been advocating the use of Arnica 6c for hair growth. The success rate has been better than 80%. I use Weisbaden 200c for the stubborn cases which is taken every other day.

ANGINA 200c
Many who were using Nitroglycerine on a SOS basis have been helped by the Arnica 200c which was used also on a SOS basis. For daily use as a prophylactic the patient uses Arnica 30c twice daily and is not affected by the angina any more. It is however important that the patient has his condition checked regularly.

CHRONIC HEADACHE 30c
I used Arnica in many cases that were not reacting to Bryonia 30 which is my default remedy for headaches and it worked well.

INTERNAL HAEMORRHAGE IN A HAEMOPHILIAC 30c
I am treating a boy who is now 6 years for the last 3 years who is a Haemophiliac with Arnica 30c for internal bleeding when he suffers from any fall or bump which causes a swelling and pain usually on his joints. The Arnica helps to dissipate the blood and reduces the swelling. I use Lachesis 200c for open cuts which bleed profusely and this arrests the bleeding in about 15 minutes. Prior to this therapy the boy had to be rushed to hospital for a drip with every fall or cut.

PIMPLES, ACNE, BLEPHARITIS, ROSACEA, STYES 30c
Hundreds of teenagers have benefited by the use of Arnica 30c. I can vouch personally for its efficacy to control styes which I used to get weekly with painful results.

BED SORES 30c
Prevents their formation.

NOSE BLEED 200c
The ultimate remedy.

RHEUMATISM AND GOUT 30c
I believe that it helps to dissipate the swelling of the synovial fluid which causes pain. I treat the Arthritis with Rhus Tox 1M and Hypericum 200c to alleviate the pain both taken in the water dose.

ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION 6c
I have many patients who have certified that it works like a charm!

TONSILLITIS 30c
Helps to alleviate the swelling and pain. This remedy is only effective as soon as the tonsils show signs of discomfort. Chronic cases have to be treated with an antibiotic. This remedy controls the formation of Tonsiloliths but it has to be taken on a daily basis to be effective in this control.

DIABETES 30c
I consider that this is easily my most important discovery which I made quite accidentally a year ago when I gave Arnica 30c to a MD who was a Type I Diabetic to help cure a chronic non healing wound. He informed me on the day after he took 2 doses that his Blood Sugar had dropped drastically and refused to use it anymore as he felt that it was some mysterious medicine which he did not wish to experiment with as he was already on Insulin which he injected himself 4 times daily. I then gave this remedy to two Type II Diabetics and discovered that they had the same reaction when their BS dropped considerably similar to the drop caused by Metformin. I then prescribed 1/4 teaspoonful Cinnamon powder to be used twice daily and have 2 patients who are able to control their ailment without recourse to the standard drugs used for the control of Diabetes.

I shall be glad to reply any questions that those who read this article may like to pose if any clarification is required on any matter pertaining to my use of Arnica listed above

Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-10-24Since the attack continues on my use of Arnica I am copying below the thread on “Arnica the Miracle Remedy” on

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/42450/

Arnica the Miracle Remedy – Brief case histories

From Joe De Livera    on 2005-11-08
38 replies    2313 views
I would like to note below brief case histories which I have recorded in the use of Arnica for various ailments.

It will be noted that some of the ailments that were successfully cured are not listed in the Repertories and the Materia Medicas now in use, and it is hoped that they are considered for listing in future editions, after more tests are carried out by those who can count on the facilities to carry out these tests.

WOUNDS 30c
Arnica 30c is the classical remedy to help cure wounds.

GENERAL TONIC IN DAILY USE 30c
I have used Arnica 30c which I discovered was better than the 6c for the last 10 years every night or more often in the case of need like after surgery. I believe that I owe to it my sense of wellness. I do not have any ache or pain in my body and I have proved that it is to Arnica that I owe my BP 120/80 with pulse 65 at age 76. I invite others to use it and to record their response to this remedy.

SUBSTITUTE FOR MORPHINE POST MAJOR SURGERY 200c and 30c
I have used this myself after my Retropubic Prostatectomy and can confidently recommend it for use after any major surgery. When I regained consciousness I noticed the Morphine syringe attached to the IV line and promptly ordered it removed to the consternation of the nursing staff and the surgeon, who warned me that I could even suffer from a major shock due to the pain without the morphine. I stated that I will use my Arnica alone to control the pain and they were very surprised to note that I was relatively free of pain after a few hours. I was able to leave my bed on the third day without any pain medication except for the Arnica I used every 2 hours at first and every 3 hours later. I was discharged on the 5th day and walked to my car. They were all amazed at my extremely quick recovery at 73 years.

EASES URINE FLOW CAUSED BY BPH 30c Wet Dose
I used Sabal S 6c and Conium 30c when I discovered that I was allergic to Hytrin that was prescribed for my BPH (Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia). I had a slight wound for which I used Arnica 30c and discovered that it was far superior to the other remedies I used for BPH and I stayed with it from 1996 up to my surgery in 2003 and used it after on a regular nightly basis.

HELPS TO CONTROL INCONTINENCE AFTER TURP 30c
It amazes me how this remedy that I have given over 20 patients who were suffering from the after effects of the TURP (trans urethral resection of the prostate) surgery who were incontinent due to some misadventure on the part of the Uro who had obviously damaged the sphincter muscle in the neck of the bladder. Arnica gave more time between visits to the toilet and in many cases it stabilized the incontinence in a few months. Others use it on a twice daily basis. Always in the water dose.

JET LAG 30c
I have used it for many years on every overseas trip. Dosage is 1 teaspoonful taken 3 times on the day before departure. Dry doses to be taken every 3 hours on board and 3 times on the day after arrival.

LACK OF MOTOR FUNCTION OF EXTREMITIES IN 82 YEAR OLD 1M Wet Dose
The patient gradually lost motor control of his hands and feet for about a year and was confined to either his bed or a chair where he was placed by his children. Drugs that were prescribed were not effective. This case was referred to me and my response was an act of faith on my part in giving him Arnica 1M which I gave him in the water dose. He was completely cured in 2 months. The dosage used was 1 teaspoonful (capful) twice daily. He is now quite mobile and does not use the remedy any more.

MENTAL DEGENERATION IN THE AGED 1M
I used Arnica 1M dose 1 tsp daily in the case of a 75 year old who was showing signs of Alzheimer’s and he showed perceptible improvement in 2 weeks which was continued thereafter. He is now permanently on the Arnica. Dose 1 tsp daily.

CHRONIC ACHES AND PAINS 30c
I have used it very often when the patient complains of general body pain (not arthritic). It is also useful for chronic back pain due to previous injuries. Sciatica is also helped by a twice daily dose.

INSOMNIA 30c
Almost everyone who has taken 1 teaspoonful of this remedy in the water dose prior to sleep has noticed the deep unbroken sleep that they experienced during the night. They wake up quite refreshed with a zing in their steps.

ECZEMA 6c
I have used it in over 30 cases some of which were chronic for over 10 years and within a week, the patient is usually cured. The success rate is better that 80%. I recommend that the remedy is continued but those who did not do so after about 3 months do not use it anymore and can be considered permanently cured. The skin condition after this time resembles Vitiligo especially in the chronic cases which had eroded the melanin in the skin which does not regenerate but there is no discomfort  or itchiness.

CELLULITIS 30c
I first used this remedy for a 78 year old lady who was suffering from recurrent reinfection of her legs. She had been to hospital every 6 months on 3 occasions for about a week each time where she was treated with the most powerful antibiotics which left her drained out like a rag. When she came out on the last occasion I gave her Arnica 30c in the water dose and she takes 1 teaspoonful before sleep. She was also an insomniac and now enjoys deep sleep and for the last 2 years she has not suffered from any reinfection from her Cellulitis. I have also used it for 3 other patients also in the same age group who had been hospitalized at least twice before in each case and they do not have any reinfection after many months or years. The Arnica seems to help by increasing the blood flow in the capillaries under the skin which in turn prevents reinfection. They have however to be on one dose of Arnica permanently.

PROMOTES GROWTH OF HAIR 30c
I would refer to the many posts on the ABC forum where I have been advocating the use of Arnica 6c for hair growth. The success rate has been better than 80%. I use Weisbaden 200c for the stubborn cases which is taken every other day.

ANGINA 200c
Many who were using Nitroglycerine on a SOS basis have been helped by the Arnica 200c which was used also on a SOS basis. For daily use as a prophylactic the patient uses Arnica 30c twice daily and is not affected by the angina any more. It is however important that the patient has his condition checked regularly.

CHRONIC HEADACHE 30c
I used Arnica in many cases that were not reacting to Bryonia 30 which is my default remedy for headaches and it worked well.

INTERNAL HAEMORRHAGE IN A HAEMOPHILIAC 30c
I am treating a boy who is now 6 years for the last 3 years who is a Haemophiliac with Arnica 30c for internal bleeding when he suffers from any fall or bump which causes a swelling and pain usually on his joints. The Arnica helps to dissipate the blood and reduces the swelling. I use Lachesis 200c for open cuts which bleed profusely and this arrests the bleeding in about 15 minutes. Prior to this therapy the boy had to be rushed to hospital for a drip with every fall or cut.

PIMPLES, ACNE, BLEPHARITIS, ROSACEA, STYES 30c
Hundreds of teenagers have benefited by the use of Arnica 30c. I can vouch personally for its efficacy to control styes which I used to get weekly with painful results.

BED SORES 30c
Prevents their formation.

NOSE BLEED 200c
The ultimate remedy.

RHEUMATISM AND GOUT 30c
I believe that it helps to dissipate the swelling of the synovial fluid which causes pain. I treat the Arthritis with Rhus Tox 1M and Hypericum 200c to alleviate the pain both taken in the water dose.

ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION 6c
I have many patients who have certified that it works like a charm!

TONSILLITIS 30c
Helps to alleviate the swelling and pain. This remedy is only effective as soon as the tonsils show signs of discomfort. Chronic cases have to be treated with an antibiotic. This remedy controls the formation of Tonsiloliths but it has to be taken on a daily basis to be effective in this control.

DIABETES 30c
I consider that this is easily my most important discovery which I made quite accidentally a year ago when I gave Arnica 30c to a MD who was a Type I Diabetic to help cure a chronic non healing wound. He informed me on the day after he took 2 doses that his Blood Sugar had dropped drastically and refused to use it anymore as he felt that it was some mysterious medicine which he did not wish to experiment with as he was already on Insulin which he injected himself 4 times daily. I then gave this remedy to two Type II Diabetics and discovered that they had the same reaction when their BS dropped considerably similar to the drop caused by Metformin. I then prescribed 1/4 teaspoonful Cinnamon powder to be used twice daily and have 2 patients who are able to control their ailment without recourse to the standard drugs used for the control of Diabetes.

I shall be glad to reply any questions that those who read this article may like to pose if any clarification is required on any matter pertaining to my use of Arnica listed above Edit Post Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-24Plese read this.

Important

Information given in this forum is given by way of exchange of views only, and those views are not necessarily those of ABC Homeopathy.

It is not to be treated as a medical diagnosis or prescription, and should not be used as a substitute for a consultation with a qualified homeopath or physician.

It is possible that advice given here may be dangerous, and you should make your own checks that it is safe.

For example, taking mother tinctures can lead to serious side effects, and stopping prescribed medication without first consulting a physician can also endanger your health. If symptoms persist, seek professional medical attention. Bear in mind that even minor symptoms can be a sign of a more serious underlying condition, and a timely diagnosis by your doctor could save your life.

Also read this.

Article on pseudo homeopathy

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/86171/

Murthy

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom kuldeep on 2006-10-24Come on Murthy, leave the motives behind. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom ripas on 2006-10-26Please excuse me, I know this will seem like I’m attacking Joe again, but whatI am attacking is this presumption that threads posted by that same gentleman are quoted ad nauseum therafter on other threads as if in validation of his stand. Please explain how quoting yourself PROVES your views.
And, once again, you seem to see criticizm of your practices as an attack on your person, which is not the case. You may be a very wonderful person, but that does not mean everything you say is gospel. Similarly, if what you do is perceivably wrong and therefore pointed out, it is not to impinge on your character. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Nesha-India  on 2006-10-26The same repeated quoting is nothing but a sick trick, for which the self-glorifyer has ample of time besides maintaining his age STATIC BP of 120/80 with Pulse of 65

It is done to mask or drown the earlier posting with a huge lengthy post, so as to confuse the next reader, who typically read the last post. If you notice, he will post a huge nuisance lengthy post immediately after my post and also of anybody who opposes him.

Persons suffering from A.D.D., have this self-glorifying mono-babbling attitude. AND he is supported immediately on the next post by the back-stabber sadistic pervert, whom I have caught using dozens of multiple proxy login i.d.s. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom ripas on 2006-11-06And Joe, my asistant brought this to my knowledge- nobody is denying that Arnica is a great remedy and can do so many things. SO IS EACH POLYCHRESTIC homeopathic medicine. If I decide tomorrow to start singing paeens to, say, Nux Vomica and how it can cure everything from diarrhoea to constipation to eczema to GERD to sleeplessness, it does not mean that that medicine would work on everyone or should be prescribed to everyone. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Nesha-India  on 2006-11-07NOW, the above requires classical training in a appropriate homeopathic college / institute.

However, some bookish self-styled-homeopaths, feel that they have invented the next generation of Homeopathy and to justify their own theories, will monotonously self-glorify, endlessly. Some people will profess the need to change with present times and challenge the old school. AS IF, the anatomy functioning / symptomology of the human brain and mind changes.

DOES it change? IF so, Let’s discuss or justify.

The Homeopathic CAUSATIVE factor should be found out before recklessly prescribing Arnica for ANY & ALL diseases. OTHERWISE, it is just placiebo’cally only a palliative (only temporary relief leading & cumulating to more powerful & dangerous symptoms later on, in the long term).

BE CAUTIOUS : Read this links throughly before attempting self-medicating.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/homeopathicmedicine.htm
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/86602/

Remain Healthy & Happy ……. Nesha-India
Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-07In my opinion…when Joe suggests the use of Arnica in low potency on a daily basis:

It is the diluted extract of the Arnica Herb that is working like a herbal medicine and giving benefits to the user.

Polycrests cover a wide range of symptoms.

If it benefits the user, where is the problem. Such a diluted dose is not going to cause the provings…about which a follower of Classical Homeopathy is making out to be.

I think the proverb …”a very big issue is being made out of a small tissue” ….applies here.

Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-07As Ripas has pointed out even nux vomica is a polychrest and why it can’t cure all the problems on this earth?

It is not a question of small verses big issue.

It is a question about homeopathic philosophy.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-07And this is what Dr.Mehmood said:

“Problem appears when we try to dis-approve a medicine versus a fundamental and made a declaration.

This is exactly happened with Mr. Joe’s system of treatment. I am a trained homeoapth but also I am well aware that beside homeopathy many other systems can help the mankind.”

So Murthy ……guys like you making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-07Who is Dr.Mehmood?

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Nesha-India  on 2006-11-07Hope the “Joepathy” cult group, realises that :

– “diluted” arnica is not the same as potencised Arnica
– “potencised” arnica is not the same as diluted Arnica HERB.

Question :
Was “joe” all along suggesting the diltuted version of the Arnica HERB
.OR.
Was “joe” all along suggesting the diluted version of the Arnica “”HOMEOPATHIC” potency (6c OR 30c)

The “joepathy” cult group is requested to atleast look up the dictionary to understand the meaning of “Potency” and “diluted”.

The Arnica was giving benefit to the many aliases (false multiple login i.d.’s), which have now dried up and the true negative responses have started surfacing up. IS THE TRUTH TRIUMPHING.

WHY PREJUDICE YOURSELF FOR A NUISANCE CULT.
WHY PREACH SOMETHING ELSE AND PRACTISE SOMETHING.
in the guise of renovating a new-type of Homeopathy.

IT IS VERY VERY FALSE to say that all along “joe” was suggesting the diluted HERB of Arnica and not the HOMEOPATHIC version of Arnica-6c & Arnica-30c. AS A UNIVERSAL CURE FOR ANY & ALL DISEASES.
It is a big lie (big issue) out of nothing (small issue)
Remember, the almighty God is watching.
Dr. Hanneman is squirming inside his grave. Let him be in peace.

CONSIDER THIS once again. (by Winston Churchill) :
“A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on”

Remain Healthy & Happy ……. Nesha-India
Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-07Counter-argument:

Who is Murthy. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-07Nesha…you mean “potency” is not made through “dilution”?? Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Nesha-India  on 2006-11-07Pankaj,

Counter-Question :

So you say that potency is made “through” dilution.

That would be surprising! Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-07Ask a chemist for the answer ….and you will know!! Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-07Re: Sulphuric Acid tip for alcoholism From dr mehmood on 2006-11-06
There is no need to throw away any fundamental.

Problem appears when we try to dis-approve a medicine versus a fundamental and made a declaration.

This is exactly happened with Mr. Joe’s system of treatment. I am a trained homeoapth but also I am well aware that beside homeopathy many other systems can help the mankind. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-08Very very unfortunate situation.

The more these people talk, the more they display their ignorance about homeopathy.

Dilution alone will not make a potency. It is a combination of dilution and succussion.

To release the energy, the succussion part of the process is very important.

Now,you know who is Murthy.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom kuldeep on 2006-11-08Now, you know who is Murthy.

We also call ‘Buth’ in Hindi. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom kuldeep on 2006-11-08Actually in Hindi, Urdu, Arabic, Punjabi and Persian too — ‘Buth’

Statue in English. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-11-08I have been reading the many post that were made in the past day or two on this thread and cannot understand the reason for the consternation that the therapy I have used for many patients has caused, which resulted in the many attacks that have been made by various people against me, simply because I have shared my discoveries with members, both prescribers and patients on this forum, who may find some use for them.

The mere fact that I do not subscribe to the classical formula does not mean that my use of existing Homeopathic remedies is wrong. Murthy has of course gone out of his way to warn members with his default “Doom and Gloom” formula but as far as I know the members have not risen to his bait to stop the therapy that they have used which I prescribed and change over to his classical formula which he is yet to specify. I note that this response from those who have benefitted from the use of my  therapy has sent him into paroxysms of anger but he seems to have cooled down now and I hope his status will stabilize and improve in the future, but I know that he will wait for the appropriate moment when he can pounce on the unsuspecting patient if there is the slightest chance of any remedy that I prescribed being the cause of some other ailment. I refer to the case where Silicea used for a Fistula seemed to have caused a breast lump.

It is strange that many members who have graced this thread seem only to be determined to show up the danger of using my Joepathy, but do not at least appreciate the fact that in the majority of cases, my therapy has worked wonderfully well. I realize that at least one female member will classify this statement as “self glorification” but facts are stubborn and it is just this sense of determination on my part to forge ahead to establish a different viewpoint in the use of Homeopathic remedies, that impels me at my advanced age of 77 years to withstand all these attacks and to share with others, the benefits that can result from the use of remedies I prescribe which has been classified as Joepathy by many members. It must be remembered that this term Joepathy was first used derisively but it seems to have stuck and many now use it with, I hope, some reverence as it may be the beginning of a revolution in the use of remedies in a non classical manner that will help suffering humanity. I must admit that I fail to understand the reason why my therapy which has been proved to be effective in a manner that the classical method has not helped in the case of some ailments like Fistula which I have been treating with a combination therapy including an Antibiotic ointment which is directly inserted inside, can be classified as dangerous and can lead to future manifestations of doom. The patient is the final arbiter of the efficacy of my therapy and if he is helped, I cannot understand the reason for this consternation on the part of a few members to shadow every one of my posts with the avowed intention of only creating that doubt in the mind of the patient at least one of whom left the forum and surrendered himself to his surgeon for yet another surgical adventure for his Fistula.

It simply amazes me to read the language that the female pseudo classical homeopath has use to describe my efforts to help patients but she must realize that the more she vents her anger and waspish language on me, the more she succeeds in increasing the interest of patients to my Joepathy. She should realize that all her efforts are counter productive and she only succeeds in making a bad situation (for her) even worse as she insists on displaying her scant knowledge of spelling in the English language where almost every one of her posts are replete with bloomers like PLACEIBO meaning Placebo, all of which when coupled to her Indian interpretation of the English language which is used universally, provide entertainment to people like me whose mother tongue is English which is a language that I have specialized in for as long as I can remember.

I notice that she has in the recent past started to criticize me for my somewhat lengthy posts and I presume that this may be due to some problem associated with ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) which she often attributes to me by some quirk of her imagaination. Her own admission about her inabliltiy ot read my what she classifies as ‘lengthy’ posts prove that she herself suffers from ADD or even ADHD and this perhaps impairs her power of concentration after some time to read my posts in rebuttal of her own insulting posts where she descends to the level that prompted me to retaliate with the quotation from Cyrus Ching about the pig. She often refers to my age which I presume she now accepts at 77 and my static BP which she knows by memory of <120/80 and pulse of <65 both factors I have often used to PROVE that Arnica has helped me to maintain, in the hope that more and more members will follow my lead and emulate. She has often been warned by members to maintain her cool and to try to help members instead of going into paroxysms of vituperation and anger which provide members with at least some light relief to read and most of all to pity the abuse of what was once an intelligent mind.

Another classical type Ripas has finally accepted that “Arnica is a great remedy and can do so many things”.
This is indeed a new departure for this erstwhile classical homeopath who has often criticized me in the past and I hope that this attitude of cooperation will continue as this will benefit members on this forum. I would also recommend that he spends more time in helping patients instead of using his time away from his practice to only  criticize me and a few others who do not subscribe to his classical approach to Homeopathy.

I am gratified to note that many who have contributed their thoughts on this thread and this includes the staunch classical types may now be seeing some faint glimmer in the horizon through the trees that occlude their view of homeopathy due to their continued brainwashing process during their formal studies. I hope that this revolution will continue in spite of the references made to my Joepathy being equated to the “mongrel sect” which is referred to by the master in another context.

The fact is that the classical sect often use the same “this for that” therapy in their practice on a regular daily basis. They would not however dare to confirm this fact in their official attitude as long as they do not state so in a manner that they can be quoted. It is just persons like me who have nothing to lose by exposing this double standard which has fortunately been corroborated by a few classical homeopaths, some of them academics and close friends, that keep me going in this manner that I must admit I do enjoy, to expose it to the public, in the hope that others too will make bold to state their inner convictions about homeopathy and thereby serve to lower the threshold that classical homeopathy holds in the eyes of the suffering patient, complete with the hocus pocus associated with the case taking procedure which is often criticized by the patient and the constitutional remedy which follows which is the sine quo non of the classical homeopathic treatment, all of which is only designed to increase the revenue that the proponent of this art can gain by increasing the number of visits of the patient whose ailment can be cured on the very first visit if only he used my Joepathy approach to healing. Edit Post Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-08sigh….

murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-08Yes Murthy…with today’s ability of scientific analysis …one can find substances in liquids upto PPM or PPB levels. (Parts per million or parts per billion).

At Hahnemann’s time these testing techniques were not available.

Pollutants in rivers, lakes, swimming pools are measured in PPM or PPB terms…and Pollution Control Boards around the world declare regulations about permissible PPM or PPB levels of substances/metals/alloys/elements in the water.

If you give a bottle of a homeopathic potency to a chemist / microbiologist who does this kind of work…he / she will analyse and give you the PPM or PPB result of that bottle of homeopathic medicine. (Say… Phosphorus or Selenium or Zincum Metal etc).

To him it is just a dilution.

You talk of energies in homeopathic medicines…has anybody found means to measure it?????

Yes the books are speaking about it…we all know it.

Without measure…it is a mere conjecture.

(Because of these things I am careful in quoting from the material given in homeopathic books).

Today’s scientific world wants a lot many proofs of what people say about homeopathy and how homeopathy works.

Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom rajivprasad on 2006-11-08Dear Pankaj,

Can you do me a favour?I wanted to express the 30C in terms of parts per million or parts per billion or even parts per trillion or qazillion for that matter.But failed.I tried the help of the dictionaries.But they don’t seem to have a word for it.

I thought may be you could help me.

By the way 3C is equivalent to 1 ppm. 5C is equivalent to 1/10 ppb(part per billion).I don’t know what to call 30C. Also what about the 10M? Can you give me the English word which represents the dilution of 100 raised to the power 10,000 times?

I will be very grateful to you.I really admire your persistence in trying to find matter in terms of ppm and ppb beipackzettel in potentised remedies.

But can you name a chemist who is willing to and capable of measuring the remedy in terms of these ‘material’ units in a 10M remedy bottle.He/she may live in India or abroad.

Rajiv Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-08Dear Rajiv,
So you are confirming what I am saying ….. that atleast the lower potencies can be rated as ppm and ppb dilutions.

About higher …we will talk in good time.

Thanks,
Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom rajivprasad on 2006-11-08Dear Pankaj,

That ‘good time’ when we will be able to talk as scientifically as you wish about the higher dilutions would indeed be a good time.But i fear that, that ‘good time’ is a ‘good deal’ away.

Rajiv

Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom rajivprasad on 2006-11-08Dear Pankaj,

That ‘good time’ when we will be able to talk as scientifically as you wish about the higher dilutions would indeed be a good time.But i fear that, that ‘good time’ is a ‘good deal’ away.

Rajiv Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-08Hi Rajiv

It clearly shows their level of understanding of homeopathy.

Gradually every thing is coming out.

They just know about some medicines, and some of their uses.They also know that 200c is more potent than 30c.
Nothing beyond that.

The rest of their prescritions are based on pure allopathic thinking.

They don’t know, how homeopathic medicines are made.

They don’t the importance of succussion.They feel increasing the potency is achieved by increasing the dilution.

They don’t know,at what potency,not even a single molecule of the medicine is present.

They don’t know,how energy medicines work.They don’t know anything about the philosophy of homeopathy.

They never heard the names of masters that are always on our lips, and talk disparagingly about them, despite not knowing about them.

They don’t know,what is really an aggravation,and how to control it when needed to.

They don’t know, when to stop the medicine and when to repeat it.

They don’t know anything about suppression.

And they pose as if they are the most succesful prescribers on this earth.

And worst of all, they try to get up after being thoroughly mauled, and try to declare themselves as winners.!!

May the unfortunate patients,who listen to them be saved.!!!

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-08Pl. see your mail box. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-08″Pl. see your mail box.” …is for Rajiv. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-08Manufacturing defect!!! Cannot return product to the store / manufacturer. Unfortunately…no “warranty”came with the product. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom rajivprasad on 2006-11-08My dear Pankaj,

All this is turning out to be a big joke.There is no chemist on this earth who can detect a trace of matter in a 10M or a 50M or a CM potency.Not as of now at least.Not in the next few decades.The more you insist on it the more sympathy i feel for you.

If you say that it would have been nice to see a scientific breakthrough which could really explain why or how the high potency remedies work, then i could understand and would have supported you.But when you say that people can measure matter in the high and highest potencies with the current level of science and technology, then your comments look ‘funny’ to say the least.

Rajiv Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-08Hi Rajiv

It is astonishing that these people don’t know ABCD of homeopathy,and are able to deceive the unfortunate patients here, posing as homeopaths.

The more these people talk, the more they expose their hollowness.

Allow them to talk here, rather than through e mail, and let everybody know, where they stand.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Nesha-India  on 2006-11-08Regarding the issue of Dilution and Potencisation,
JUST MAYBE, IT HAS AN ANSWER IN “joepathy”, if not in any other pathy or sciences.
Seems “rajivprasad” is not among the Arnica Cult Group.

———————–
Answering the Self-Glorifyer, who Intead of answering my questions,

AS usual ALWAYS – a never-ending monotonous & boring mumble reeked of self-glorification & chronic frustration. ATleast there is time available for writing such a long boring and monotonous post.

TOO TOXIC …

ATLEAST, start writing a book. Maybe that’ll sell.
– if not in English, then atleast in Sinhalese.
– if cost not recoverable, distribute it free on 19th October.
– if not otherwise, ATLEAST AS A “SOUVENIR”

THOUGH, BE CAREFUL OF TERMITE’s.

CONSIDER THIS once again (by Winston Churchill) :
“A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on”

CONSIDER THIS TOO :
“A baby is an alimentary canal with a loud voice at one end and no responsibility at the other”.

(if the above quote is beyond understanding, ask me (who else but “only” Nesha-India) to explain).

Remain Healthy & Happy ……. Nesha-India Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-08Rajiv,
You have to be a qualified lab technologist to say that…and for others to accept what you are saying.
Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom rajivprasad on 2006-11-08Dear Pankaj,

I have to be a qualified lab technologist to say what.That at the level of 12C, we have crossed the Aoogadro’s Number.At the level of 13C and above, you are dealing with something that ‘science’ has not been willing to accept.That is the reason they have refused to believe that such non-material things as so called homeopathic remedies could have any effect on human body.So, any cures or effects which patients feel must be a ‘placebo’ effect.All this is easily available to anyone who wants to do a little research.

The concept of Avogadro’s number is understood by a class 12th Science student.Now, we are not even talking of 12C or 13C.We are talking of 10M. A dilution which is of the order of 1 drop of the remedy in 100 raised to the power of 10,000 drops of alcohol.The part per billion has been breached at the 5C itself.The English language does not have an ‘official’ word to express the 20C because they have never tried such a dilution.Because for them such a dilution is meaningless.So, forget the 10M.

Why i need to be a lab technologist to understand this simple thing that matter as we (Science) understand it, does not exist at the level of 10M or 50M or 100M?All of Science has debunked homeopathy for this very reason.That these so called remedies have no trace of matter in them.It is a known fact in scientific literature.You are revealing a tremendous amount of ignorance to even carry on discussing all this  without at least doing some reading on what the ‘official science’ has to say about homeopathy and its remedies.

Just do a bit of googling and you can find a lot of information.Read about Benveniste and his experiments and the criticism that he received and come back for further discussions if you still wish.

All the best.

Rajiv Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-08Hi Rajiv

By now, you must have realised the level of understanding of these ‘resident presribers’ here.

And they have the cheek to say, we are dogmatic.!!

The more they try to win the argument, the more they are showing their ignorance.

They will not agree that they need to study more.

They will try to defend the undefendable, however absurd their argument may look to even slightly knoweldgable people.

Once they know,that they are exposed, and that there is no way for retreat,they start pouring in personal invectives.

I have been too familiar with this cycle.

Now, it is your turn.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-08Rajiv,
I am ignoring the personal comments you have made (may be you were under some stress to do so).

However, I must say I am really impressd with the calculations that you have given.

If I had not seen the working of high potency homeopathic meds, after reading your excelelnt analysis…even I might have concluded that it is palcebo effect. Anyway, I have seen the impact of high potency meds on patients. So I don’t say so.

This leads us to the logic that manufacturers who make high potency homeopathic meds …by their action…generate an energy in the medicine.

If it is energy …there has to be a form of the energy. It can be electrical energy, mechanical energy, sound energy, light energy, magnetic energy, nuclear energy etc,etc, etc.

Can you enlighten me…after googling or otherwise…what is your conclusion >>>> which form of energy gets generated in high potency homeopathic meds????

Thank you in advance,
Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-09It is a dynamic energy.

You know only a few forms of energy. There are many others, which you are not aware of.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-09Just google ‘homeopathy dynamic energy’ and read the hundred of references yourself.

Come back, if you have not understood any thing.

We will help you.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom kuldeep on 2006-11-09Rajiv

A clarification is needed from your side. More then once a question was addressed to you but was replied by Mr. Bandar and his replied mentioned ‘We’ word.

Do you agree that the answer came from your behalf too. Are you included in the ‘WE’ as Mr. Bandar utters. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-09We is the “royal ‘we'” as we call it.

You will not understand it.

Forget it.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-11-09I shall copy a post that I have just made on another thread which may give members a different perspective to the present debate as to what make Murthy tick.

He is obviously suffering from some serious delusions as he now has confirmed his condition by:

“We is the “royal ‘we'” as we call it. ”

Here is the copy of my post:

I am simply amazed at the tenacity of Murthy who first confused you and even now continues to do so merely because he wishes to have the last word. It is unfortunate that his last word is always to criticize even more the advice that I have given you which naturally confuses you the patient, which seems such a shame and requires some action on the part of the moderator of this forum which does not seem to be forthcoming.

It is only too obvious that Murthr is being attacked by other members of this forum who have been helping patients for the past few years in comparison to his own pathetic efforts in the recent past which did not seem to go down with the members, especially the new members who have by now, discovered that he is just a windy old gas bag, who although he professes to be the ultimate classical homeopath has yet to show his prowess by condescending to help someone in distress with his hyper classical version of homeopathic remedies. He prefers to sit on the side lines and continues to insult the prescribers and to confuse patients like you who wish to be helped by a remedy for your ailment.

Those of us who still are present on this forum have to weather on a daily basis, his insults as also the insults of a female member who feels that she is cute in her analysis of homeopathic matters. She often feels that she can interject the skills that she has gathered in her hair dressing career into homeopathy and so obviously fails miserably in doing so. She does however provide tactical support to Murthy as she seems to shadow his posts and swoons on his pontifications which give her some vicarious delight whenever he makes a pest of himself on the forum, insulting me and other members who are present here purely to help those who seek assistance.

It is strange that the moderator of this forum has permitted this form of licentiousness as it detracts from the avowed purpose of this forum which is to help to alleviate human suffering with our own individual use of homeopathic remedies which as you can see from the many posts that I personally have made which have now reached almost the 5000 mark over a period of over 4 years have been focussed on helping the afflicted. The large majority of patients whom I have helped with the remedies that I have pioneered have confirmed that my therapy has helped them and the surprise is when Murthy continues to attack me and the patients for following my prescriptions which is fully aware have helped them to recover. I find this behaviour very strange and as a member reported may be due to some alcoholic haze which clouds his reasoning.

You are advised to ignore Murthy’s ravings as I am unable to stop them myself except by warning members that he is proving to be a pest whose advice is best ignored. Edit Post Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom kuldeep on 2006-11-09Dear Joe

Is he working for some other party to derail this website?? This question has been asked by more than one person and more than once: Is he working for some third party to kill this site.

Or we can use the idiom:
Some one else’s dog.

Dr. Deoshlok Sharma has alread predicted: Virus. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom rajivprasad on 2006-11-09Dear Pankaj,

First of all, accept my congratulations for your sheer honesty and modest admittance of the fact that you had not thought along the lines i suggested in my post.But as you have seen yourself in your long experience as a prescriber, the high potency remedies (the 10M, 50M, CM etc.) work despite the absence of matter in them.This has been the ‘bogey’ for the official sciences which has caused them to dismiss ‘homeopathy’ as a humbug and all incidents of ‘cures’ as ‘placebo’ effect.

It is sure that some energy is released in the process of dilution and succusion of the remedy.’Succussion’ is as important as ‘dilution’ in the process of potentisation.Why ‘succussion’ helps in potentising is a bit difficult to understand at the current level of scientific advancement.But that it helps in ‘potentising’ and can be experienced personally by any one via this simple experiment that i am suggesting.

Take Arnica Q.Add on drop to 100 drops of water.Do not shake or succuss at all.Simply take one drop from this solutio and again add 100 drops of water to it.Do not shake again.Repeat this process 30 times.Now you have Arnica 30C in terms of dilution.But this remedy solution has not been shaken violently (‘succussed’) at each stage as is normally done.So, that is the only difference.Now just add a few drops of alcohol to preserve this solution.Next time someone gets hurt, give this unsuccussed Arnica 30 to the person.It will have no effect as the matter (molecules of Arnica) have been diluted out of existence.But give a dose of normal Arnica 30C which is prepared by dilution and ‘succussion’ at each stage.And it will work like the magic medicine that it is.So, its a hands on proof of the fact that ‘succussion’ helps in releasing the hidden ‘healing energy’ in some manner.How and why is still unanswered by Science of today.Though there are many attempts to explain but no definitive explanation that is accepted by all.

In this connection, to those who are interested, they can google for Poincare and read about his experiment with a photograph.It is known in Science as the Poincare Effect.It is the best intuitive proof of the ‘homeopathic phenomena’.I will just summarize the experiment briefly for everyone’s benefit.Poincare stretched a photograph in a certain fixed manner in all directions.This was done in a number of iterations.After each iteration, the dimensions of the person’s face would be changed.And after a few iterations, it is no longer the photograph of a man.The face is totally lost and after a while becomes totally lost.But when he kept on repeating this stretching, after a number of iterations the same face started to appear again.Everyone could see that it is the same face, but with lighter colours and finer features.This happens till infinity.That is the face reappears in a finer and finer manner and then disappears.This is one of the most stunning experiments in the field of Science and gives an intuitive proof of so many phenomena such as ‘homeopathy’, ‘reincarnations’, and for a deep thinker of many more things.

I suggest the people to do their own research in this most fascinating topic.

All the best.

Rajiv Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-09Murthy,

You did not read the “etc., etc.,etc.”..in my post.

While you are your self blind to the written word..you accuse me of not knowing a subject.

Many of us…by this time know that you have come here to kill this site. Becoz…no aomount of reasoning with you has helped
anybody.

You don’t even have the decency to carry on an intelligent discussion without making personal attacks.

Be assured, we will not allow you to kill this site…as we have nurtured it for a long time.

I would not have wasted so many words on you…I am only writing all this for other readers so that they are also made aware of your “hidden agenda”.

Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-09Dear Rajiv,
Thanks for letting us know about Poincare Effect.

Now, in your post about potency medicines you say:
###
“How and why is still unanswered by Science of today.Though there are many attempts to explain but no definitive explanation that is accepted by all.”
###

So all we can say …in terminology of science is that it is an “Empirical relationship”…i.e. “it is an observed natural phenomenon” that high potencies work on the human body.

The energy relationship which some books give has not been established.

Murthy …your answer of “dynamic energy” being present there is not confirmed by Rajiv.

If at all, “dynamic energy” gets stored in a bottle of potensised homeopathic medicine….then a lab technologist should be able to take a reading of that energy.

Also, higher the potency…higher should be the reading of the “dynamic energy”.

Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-09The logical and EMPIRICAL methods of science:

There is no single scientific method. Some of the methods of science involve logic, e.g., drawing inferences or deductions from hypotheses, or thinking out the logical implications of causal relationships in terms of necessary or sufficient conditions. Some of the methods are—— EMPIRICAL———, such as making observations, designing controlled experiments, or designing instruments to use in collecting data. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom rajivprasad on 2006-11-09Dear Pankaj,

Dynamic energy or spirit like energy are just ways of expressing this ‘something’ which gets released from the remedy substance.Because, Science has not been able to understand the nature of this energy.To measure something, you need to have instruments that will register this energy.Till date no such instrument has been built.It is like trying to measure the ‘prana’ (‘life force’ or ‘atma’) that dwells in our body.No lab technology exists to measure this.Such ideas come to your mind because you have not read or thought enough about this.

The quantum physics may one day be able to explain or understand this.But as of now, it is a long way off.The desire to measure it with a meter or something is still a long way off.

Any way.I am happy enough to tell this much.You are invited to read more, think more and then come back for more ‘meaningful’ discussions if you wish.

With warm regards,

Rajiv Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-09Dear Rajiv,
I am an Electronics Engineer and I am aware of measuring and testing technologies plus capabilities of medical lab technologists and microbiologists.

When people talk of “dynamic energy” in the bottle of homeopathic medicine…two possibilities exist:

1. The energy level is readable in the liquid bottle of homeopathic medicine..when compared to the energy level of an ordinary alcohol bottle of same size, same alcohol quality,dilution etc.

There are instruments that can read the energy difference (if it exists) fairly accurately.

2. Other possibility is :
When the homeopathic high potency med touches the surface or lower portion of the tongue…some energy is released.

There are electronic sensors which can read this also…and there are trained medical lab technologists who are very well versed in this kind of exercise. This can also be measured fairly accurately.

So if dynamic energy really exists in a high potency homeopathic medicine…it can be measured.

Thanks and wishes,
Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-09Hi Pankaj

If there is no dynamic energy (which you can’t measure) in the homeopathic medicines, how do you explain their working?

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-09What cannot be explained by known scintific logic is called “Empirical phenomenon”…or observed phenomenon….that is all.

Quartz crytals release energy on application of external mechanical force….that energy quantum is measurable by electronic instruments.

When materials release energy …it can be measured.

Further more, law of energy is that it cannot be released from nothing. It is only transformation from one form of energy to another.(Electrical to light in bulb, mechanical to sound in guitar, mechanical to electric in hydropower stations, electrical to mechanical in a mixie..etc. etc.)
Only exception is nuclear energy…which is released by bombardment of nuclear energy generating materials and process is known as “fusion”….here mass is getting converted into energy and follows the E = mc squared relationship….given by Albert Eienstien.

Pankaj Varma

Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-09What cannot be explained by known scintific logic is called “Empirical phenomenon”…or observed phenomenon….that is all.

Quartz crytals release energy on application of external mechanical force….that energy quantum is measurable by electronic instruments.

When materials release energy …it can be measured.

Further more, law of energy is that it cannot be released from nothing. It is only transformation from one form of energy to another.(Electrical to light in bulb, mechanical to sound in guitar, mechanical to electric in hydropower stations, electrical to mechanical in a mixie..etc. etc.)
Only exception is nuclear energy…which is released by bombardment of nuclear energy generating materials and process is known as “fusion”….here mass is getting converted into energy and follows the E = mc squared relationship….given by Albert Eienstien.

Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-09This was the question..

“Hi Pankaj

If there is no dynamic energy (which you can’t measure) in the homeopathic medicines, how do you explain their working? ”

You have not answered it.

Murthy Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-09Explaination:

A permanently-polarized material such as quartz (SiO2) or barium titanate (BaTiO3) will produce an electric field when the material changes dimensions as a result of an imposed mechanical force. These materials are piezoelectric, and this phenomenon is known as the piezoelectric effect.

Conversely, an applied electric field can cause a piezoelectric material to change dimensions. This phenomenon is known as electrostriction, or the reverse piezoelectric effect.

Piezoelectric Effect

Reverse Piezoelectric Effect

Piezoelectric materials are used in acoustic transducers, which convert acoustic (sound) waves into electric fields, and electric fields into acoustic waves. Transducers are found in telephones, stereo music systems, and musical instruments such as guitars and drums.
Quartz, a piezoelectric material, is often found in clocks and watches. An oscillating electric field makes the quartz crystal resonate at its natural frequency. The vibrations of this frequency are counted and are used to keep the clock or watch on time. Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-09If I had a cogent and convincing answer…I wouldn’t have asked the question of measurement of the energy release.

That is why I started my post saying “Empirical phenomenon”….one that is observed.

What is observed is this:

You give homeopathic med in high potency to an individual and it generates some changes in his / her system.

That is all. (period).

If you try to explain it then you hit a dead end:

No energy transformation that can be measured, no substance to cause chemical/biological reaction …proofs have not been found as of now!!!!!!!

If there are proofs available, please enlighten me.

Thanks,
Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Nesha-India  on 2006-11-09DO NOT THINK OF “ENERGY”
Do not think of Dilution / potency.
THINK ONLY OF DRUG SIGNATURE / PICTURE and its intensity.

TO THE ABOVE QUESTION, PLEASE READ Nesha-India’s answer to question by “sazim” in

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/50156/1, “”specially post dated 17 February 2006″”
– AND –
Also read http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/35254/4
“”specially post dated : 30 January 2006 & 09 December 2005″” & other posts.

CONSIDER THIS QUOTE :
“It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious”

Remain Healthy & Happy ……. Nesha-India Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-09Yes Nisha,
Appreciate your answers on that thread and regard your understanding of homeopathy.

It is the drug picture vs. the disease picture and an appropriate potency selection..they trigger the Immune system ….which then takes over.

Science has still to explain how the trigger mechanism works…doesn’t matter…it works…that is more important.

Thanks,
Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom rajivprasad on 2006-11-09Dear Pankaj,

I have said what i had to say.I have said nothing new.It is all very well known that homeopathic medicines work.That there is no matter in them.That there is something which happens in the dilution and succussion process which makes simple alcohol into a homeopathic remedy.That what that ‘something’ is has not yet been understood by ‘Science’.I don’t care if you are an Electronics Engineer or the greatest scientist of this world.It is a fact that Science of today has not reached the level where they can understand this ‘homeopathic phenomenon’, forget measuring it.It is too tough a problem for the ‘Science’ itself.Forget the poor lab technologist.

Your problem starts with the word ‘energy’ which raises visions of different kinds of energies which have been measured or are measurable by Science.This ‘homeopathic energy or power or whatever is there in the alcohol, is not measurable or traceable by any means.Not till now at least.

Arguing beyond this is meaningless.Let us stop it now.By the way, if you can develop a means to trace and measure this ‘healing energy’ using your skills as an Electronic Engineereven if in collaboration with some Lab Technologist, both of you would become immortal in the history of Science and get the Noble Prize too.

Rajiv Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-11-09Dear Rajiv,
We were discussing a subject…no need to go off the edge!!

You contributed some meaning ful things there.

It all started with the distinctions between potency and dilution.

Cheer up.
Pankaj Varma Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom rajivprasad on 2006-11-09Dear Pankaj,

I don’t think i went off the edge.Otherwise i would have apologised.I don’t like to offend anyone.I wanted to make my point clear and hence the use of superlatives.You can do your research and find out if what i said is correct or not.

In the end, what matters is that these remedies work.There is a rich philosophy, tradition and current practice which supports this subject.A homeopath hardly needs to worry about when or how Science will be able to explain this.If he knows his materia medica well and understands the ‘laws of cure’, he can help many people regain health.

All the best.

Rajiv Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Pawan Wairagade on 2012-03-11Hi joe,

Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. One word for you “Ubuntu” its african word which means life towards huminity.

One doubt, plz don’t mind on Jan 2004 in below email you were stated you would be 80 on october and your birthday was October 19th 1929. I dont understand your exact age.. are you really that old?
site:.otherhealth. com/homeopathy-list-discussion
To Shannon
” I will be 80 years old in October and I believe that I am the best example of how Arnica which I have taken since 1996 ” Report post to moderator Re: Why ‘Joepathy’ works in many casesFrom Joe De Livera on 2012-03-11Pawan

Glad that you liked my post which intrigues me as it was first made by me in January 2004 which is all of 8 years ago which makes me 83 years old and thank God I am still alive and kicking in the same manner that I have been doing for the last, say 70 years of my life.

I must also give Arnica the credit due to its miraculous power to maintain life at an optimum level and I would refer you to my article “Arnica the Miracle Remedy” on

http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=66.

I drive daily to work and back and I am the CEO of a family owned business which was established by my late father in 1924 before I was born and in which my youngest son is now in charge of, although I still call the “shots”. I spend about 2-3 hours on Homeoapthy on this ABC and my own Website and also try to help any patients who consult me in office when I give my services and the medicines free of charge.

A good example of the ‘proof of the pudding’ in my affinity to Homeopathy and more especially Arnica is the fact that no one who meets me believes my age which they usually estimate at around 65 years. I do not bear the usual signs of old age and do not sport any wrinkles on my skin. I do not have any aches and pains in my body and I exercise daily for around 45 minutes to lift my heart bpm to 115 for about 10 minutes. Sometimes to 120 if I feel good.

If you will spend some time on my Website you will read more about my research into Homeopathy which I have “simplified” into what the classical homeopaths on this and other forums have derisively classified as “Joepathy” which is an aspect of this curative art which is practical and works in a manner more positively to cure than classical homeopathy which in the majority of cases just gives the suffering patient the run around while the classical homeopath beats about the bush as instructed by the classical exponents of this science.

I am not alone in my “this for that” therapy and you will tead if you visit the website below:

PRASANTA BANERJI HOMEOPATHIC RESEARCH FOUNDATION
http://www.pbhrfindia.org/


Source: http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=439


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